More leftist lunacy

[Septic]

What would one propose?

I'd propose keeping the EC (based on population) but having the votes proportional to the votes cast for each party.

Everyone's vote would have meaning and carry weight, with the exception of the two states(?) that do this now if your party loses the states popular vote by one ballot - your vote is worthless. I don't understand how anyone would think that a winner take all system would be remotely indicative of the will or wants of the constituency.

 

[VolStrom]

The high school I went to had the nickname "Rebels". Even though the school flag was just a flag with the word "Rebels" on it, some butt wipe recently relocated from California decided that he was offended by the school name. He sued and lost and they have kept the name since. I'm sick of these damn pansy asses that pretend to be offended by everything.

 

[hog88]

What would one propose?

If I had my dreathers, it would be:
The winner of each congressional district gets that elector and the overall winner of the state gets the 2 senator electors.

 

[VolStrom]

I'd propose keeping the EC (based on population) but having the votes proportional to the votes cast for each party.

Everyone's vote would have meaning and carry weight, with the exception of the two states(?) that do this now if your party loses the states popular vote by one ballot - your vote is worthless. I don't understand how anyone would think that a winner take all system would be remotely indicative of the will or wants of the constituency.

Let me summarize that for you, you want popular vote.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

PMSNBC. Lol.

Imagine being in your 50's and thinking that was witty.

I had a mild chuckle.

 

[jp1]

Ok, as usual, a lot of distortion by the echo chamber.

According to even Fox, the issue is that the team's coach thought that the flag might be viewed as "divisive." That's a quote. Divisive. Not racist as OP claimed was the issue.

California high school football players fly thin blue line flag despite ban: Report

I also cannot find any reference to a lawsuit by the ACLU to force students from carrying such a flag. Does OP or anyone else have a link to something referencing the claim from OP that "The ACLU is filing suit to stop the kids from doing this ..." because that appears to be incorrect.

Personally, I disagree with the coach (I see some articles that its a district decision) on this point. I just wanted to point out that the claim that its because some authority has decided its "racist" when all I can find is that its "divisive," and the claim that there is an ACLU lawsuit to stop display of the fact, both seem inaccurate.

Read more articles on the subject. The NAACP was in strong opposition at the meeting, and it was quoted that some black students may be in opposition to the practice of carrying out the flag.

 

[C-south]

Don't know, doesn't matter to my point. I read the OP's rendition of this and his characterization of the facts seemed to me to be suspect. So, initially asked for something backing it up. Did not get anything of value.

So, I checked the internet for information on it and found what I posted. I cannot find reference to an authority telling the kids they cannot fly it because its racist, nor did I find any indication that the ACLU has filed a lawsuit to stop display of the flag, as OP claimed.

In the larger scheme of things, it is emblematic to me of the problem with the right in this country, and particularly the echo chamber effect, combined with the telephone effect. The initial word is "Bobby was late getting home from work." In the right wing blogosphere/social media, that becomes "It has been reported Bobby was late getting home from work because he stopped at a gay bar and impregnated 7 illegal immigrants."

Followed by "prove its wrong."





I don't agree. Something like this is so innocuous that I do not believe it creates a need for balance. If another team wanted to fly a flag with a BLM emblem on it, fine by me.

There is no “echo chamber”. There are literally idiots offended by everything and the vast majority fall on a certain side of the political spectrum.

 

[Septic]

Let me summarize that for you, you want popular vote.

You can label it however you like but it's a system that would still use the electoral college and have the electors correspond to the states population.

I don't think any system that doesn't give an equal voice to either constituency is truly representative of the people's wishes.

 

[85SugarVol]

I'd propose keeping the EC (based on population) but having the votes proportional to the votes cast for each party.

Everyone's vote would have meaning and carry weight, with the exception of the two states(?) that do this now if your party loses the states popular vote by one ballot - your vote is worthless. I don't understand how anyone would think that a winner take all system would be remotely indicative of the will or wants of the constituency.

So that proposal would shift increased weight to population centers?

 

[VolStrom]

You can label it however you like but it's a system that would still use the electoral college and have the electors correspond to the states population.

I don't think any system that doesn't give an equal voice to either constituency is truly representative of the people's wishes.

The system we have has worked well for nearly 250 years. We don't need to re-invent the wheel because our population has become feeble and weak and unable to admit defeat when we don't get our way.

 

[Septic]

So that proposal would shift increased weight to population centers?

I don't know - really not part of the equation.

Like I said, there are 5.3m registered republican's in Cali. That's more than 10-12 other states combined. Those voters will NEVER have a say so in a general election.

Purple states could swing either way, imagine the right losing Florida by a single ballot and still getting every electorate vote? Hanging chads ring a bell.

It's a dumb system.

 

[Septic]

The system we have has worked well for nearly 250 years. We don't need to re-invent the wheel because our population has become feeble and weak and unable to admit defeat when we don't get our way.

It's worked because no one has challenged it's stupidity. It's just like the daylight savings time - just because we have doesn't make it a good idea.

Those who would look to keep the status quo while knowingly silencing the wishes of millions "because that's the way it's been" is lazy.

It works well for you because your state, I assume isn't blue or purple.

 

[85SugarVol]

I don't know - really not part of the equation.

Like I said, there are 5.3m registered republican's in Cali. That's more than 10-12 other states combined. Those voters will NEVER have a say so in a general election.

Purple states could swing either way, imagine the right losing Florida by a single ballot and still getting every electorate vote? Hanging chads ring a bell.

It's a dumb system.

Ok, but is this proposal a “better” system?

I’m not sure concentrating political power in urban population centers would be any better.

 

[Septic]

Ok, but is this proposal a “better” system?

I’m not sure concentrating political power in urban population centers would be any better.

I'm not sure what about my proposal "concentrates power in an urban center", it simply give a proportional amount of electoral votes based on the the State/ constituency's votes.

Also, I don't know that it would be "better", but it would eliminate half of America from not having a voice because their choice lost the states popular vote by a single ballot.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

It's worked because no one has challenged it's stupidity. It's just like the daylight savings time - just because we have doesn't make it a good idea.

Those who would look to keep the status quo while knowingly silencing the wishes of millions "because that's the way it's been" is lazy.

It works well for you because your state, I assume isn't blue or purple.

You don't feel better when you fall back into time? Absolutely rejuvenating!

 

[VolStrom]

It's worked because no one has challenged it's stupidity. It's just like the daylight savings time - just because we have doesn't make it a good idea.

Those who would look to keep the status quo while knowingly silencing the wishes of millions "because that's the way it's been" is lazy.

It works well for you because your state, I assume isn't blue or purple.

The entire premise of the EC is lost on you. It was put in place so that the few couldn't dictate to the many, which is exactly what you want. Why not just have a 4 state election? California, Texas, Florida and New York? Forget the other 46, if they want to participate too bad right? Have you ever looked at the voting records by county in each state? California is red other than the high population counties. Same thing for the other blue states that let the will of a few areas dictate the fate of the rest of the state.

 

[Septic]

You don't feel better when you fall back into time? Absolutely rejuvenating!

 

[85SugarVol]

If I had my dreathers, it would be:
The winner of each congressional district gets that elector and the overall winner of the state gets the 2 senator electors.

So states like Texas, California, New York, Florida could see their haul of electoral votes split between the candidates?

 

[Septic]

The entire premise of the EC is lost on you. It was put in place so that the few couldn't dictate to the many, which is exactly what you want. Why not just have a 4 state election? California, Texas, Florida and New York? Forget the other 46, if they want to participate too bad right? Have you ever looked at the voting records by county in each state? California is red other than the high population counties. Same thing for the other blue states that let the will of a few areas dictate the fate of the rest of the state.

It's not lost on me. I'm not suggesting we get rid of the premise of the electoral college.

Truthfully, I don't think you quite understand what I'm arguing. You realize how little this would affect the mostly red fly over states, right?

You're effectively arguing that republican's shouldn't have a voice in California and increasingly in Texas and Florida. Imagine California having to give up 30% of it's 55 electoral college votes to republicans every year. It's easy to deride the system as working because you're likely in a state that is red, if you were a R in a purple or blue state, I think you'd have a different opinion.

 

[hog88]

So states like Texas, California, New York, Florida could see their haul of electoral votes split between the candidates?

Yes. I think that system would force the candidates to moderate and run their campaigns to appeal to a wider audience. No more completley ignoring state X because it's always gone Y.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Don't know, doesn't matter to my point. I read the OP's rendition of this and his characterization of the facts seemed to me to be suspect. So, initially asked for something backing it up. Did not get anything of value.

So, I checked the internet for information on it and found what I posted. I cannot find reference to an authority telling the kids they cannot fly it because its racist, nor did I find any indication that the ACLU has filed a lawsuit to stop display of the flag, as OP claimed.

In the larger scheme of things, it is emblematic to me of the problem with the right in this country, and particularly the echo chamber effect, combined with the telephone effect. The initial word is "Bobby was late getting home from work." In the right wing blogosphere/social media, that becomes "It has been reported Bobby was late getting home from work because he stopped at a gay bar and impregnated 7 illegal immigrants."

Followed by "prove its wrong."





I don't agree. Something like this is so innocuous that I do not believe it creates a need for balance. If another team wanted to fly a flag with a BLM emblem on it, fine by me.

I sometimes wonder, after reading your post, if you ever just get away from it all. Maybe set up a chair next to the ocean or a swamp in Florida, and just really reflect on just how full of sh** you actually are!

Because you couldn’t find anything (that doesn’t surprise me btw considering you can’t find a coherent thought most of the time) on the internet (most likely searching non-bias sources like CNN and Slate) with your whopping multi-hour search in which you were only truly looking to confirm your suspicions rather than finding the truth, you discredit and conclude that the OP and the rest of “The right” in America do not have a firm grip on reality because we exist in an echo chamber.

I think I understand why you hate Trump so much. He’s a threat to you for the biggest narcissist residing in the state of Florida.

 

[Septic]

So states like Texas, California, New York, Florida could see their haul of electoral votes split between the candidates?

All states.

 

[VolStrom]

It's not lost on me. I'm not suggesting we get rid of the premise of the electoral college.

Truthfully, I don't think you quite understand what I'm arguing. You realize how little this would affect the mostly red fly over states, right?

You're effectively arguing that republican's shouldn't have a voice in California and increasingly in Texas and Florida. Imagine California having to give up 30% of it's 55 electoral college votes to republicans every year. It's easy to deride the system as working because you're likely in a state that is red, if you were a R in a purple or blue state, I think you'd have a different opinion.

Explain to me like I'm a three year old how this would be different from a popular vote? There might be a minor shift from one to the other, but I'm thinking you haven't thought this out as well as the founding fathers did.

 

[Septic]

Explain to me like I'm a three year old how this would be different from a popular vote? There might be a minor shift from one to the other, but I'm thinking you haven't thought this out as well as the founding fathers did.

It is a form of popular vote but the number of electoral college voters are still predicated on the states population.

In my scenario, trump would have likely been much closer in EC votes because he lost Minnesota, Arizona, Colorado, Michigan and especially Georgia by a very, very tiny amount (~15k votes), let alone the 17 he would have picked up in California. Though he may have lost some in purple, or closely contested states that he ultimately won. It'd a give and take, I simply believe that every voter should have a say in the outcome.

Founding fathers weren't infallible and they certainly weren't familiar with the term fly over states or the bastions of liberal urban population centers.

I get it though, when it works for you, don't mess with it. I'm sure that the 2,461,854 Georgia republican's sure wish that 8 of the States 16 EC votes would have been split out to Trump.

 

[KB5252]

Don't know, doesn't matter to my point. I read the OP's rendition of this and his characterization of the facts seemed to me to be suspect. So, initially asked for something backing it up. Did not get anything of value.

So, I checked the internet for information on it and found what I posted. I cannot find reference to an authority telling the kids they cannot fly it because its racist, nor did I find any indication that the ACLU has filed a lawsuit to stop display of the flag, as OP claimed.

In the larger scheme of things, it is emblematic to me of the problem with the right in this country, and particularly the echo chamber effect, combined with the telephone effect. The initial word is "Bobby was late getting home from work." In the right wing blogosphere/social media, that becomes "It has been reported Bobby was late getting home from work because he stopped at a gay bar and impregnated 7 illegal immigrants."

Followed by "prove its wrong."





I don't agree. Something like this is so innocuous that I do not believe it creates a need for balance. If another team wanted to fly a flag with a BLM emblem on it, fine by me.

I don't either...... But I do have a problem with a school board selectively allowing or denying a students right to express themselves at school functions. It's like allowing the boy scouts to fund raise on public property but not allowing the girl scouts.