More leftist lunacy

[85SugarVol]

We need to curb the disproportionate power afforded to large swaths of land but with sparse populations. In the Presidential election, the value of a voter in Montana is many times the weight of a voter in, say, North Carolina. Or New York.

The two votes per state, regardless of the disparity in population, unconstitutionally overweights the votes of rural small states and penalizes states with large urban population centers.

Every American's vote for POTUS should count EXACTLY the same.

And the remaining electoral votes reflect the population differences.

 

[AM64]

We need to curb the disproportionate power afforded to large swaths of land but with sparse populations. In the Presidential election, the value of a voter in Montana is many times the weight of a voter in, say, North Carolina. Or New York.

The two votes per state, regardless of the disparity in population, unconstitutionally overweights the votes of rural small states and penalizes states with large urban population centers.

Every American's vote for POTUS should count EXACTLY the same.

I understand your point, but the FF had a valid point when they determined how we should elect a president. They recognized that the US was a union of states rather than just people who lived in one jurisdiction or another but beholden to the US government. When the federal government became the be all end all rather than a body doing the will of the states, everything turned to crap. The design was done in such a manner that some states couldn't dominate others. So, yes, you are right in a way and wrong in another. Equality by population was not the original intent. Large cities have one set of needs - and they get them; rural areas have a different set of needs and do for the country what cities can't. Cities couldn't survive without what the rest of the country provides; and by and large, city dwellers are too arrogant to understand. Cities are the overhead, and the rest of the country is the production sector.

 

[FortSanders]

You can label it however you like but it's a system that would still use the electoral college and have the electors correspond to the states population.

I don't think any system that doesn't give an equal voice to either constituency is truly representative of the people's wishes.

Smaller states like Tennessee, Mississippi, West Virginia, and Alabama would be disproportionately hurt by this scheme. No the Founders knew what they were doing.

 

[lawgator1]

I think we need to curb the disproportionate power of a person renting a 600sq ft apartment in nyc over a 2000 acre land owner in Montana.

Their votes should be of equal weight. We agree.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Ok, as usual, a lot of distortion by the echo chamber.

According to even Fox, the issue is that the team's coach thought that the flag might be viewed as "divisive." That's a quote. Divisive. Not racist as OP claimed was the issue.

California high school football players fly thin blue line flag despite ban: Report

I also cannot find any reference to a lawsuit by the ACLU to force students from carrying such a flag. Does OP or anyone else have a link to something referencing the claim from OP that "The ACLU is filing suit to stop the kids from doing this ..." because that appears to be incorrect.

Personally, I disagree with the coach (I see some articles that its a district decision) on this point. I just wanted to point out that the claim that its because some authority has decided its "racist" when all I can find is that its "divisive," and the claim that there is an ACLU lawsuit to stop display of the fact, both seem inaccurate.

Why are you linking Fox News? I thought all it was was a right wing propaganda network that only tells lies? If that’s the case then you are essentially full of crap as usual

 

[85SugarVol]

Their votes should be of equal weight. We agree.

From the people that brought us “they lost the popular vote for the Senate”

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

We need to curb the disproportionate power afforded to large swaths of land but with sparse populations. In the Presidential election, the value of a voter in Montana is many times the weight of a voter in, say, North Carolina. Or New York.

The two votes per state, regardless of the disparity in population, unconstitutionally overweights the votes of rural small states and penalizes states with large urban population centers.

Every American's vote for POTUS should count EXACTLY the same.

Why are you saying this? This is what your party loves. They want to get rid of the electoral college so the Democrats would never lose another election. Stop acting like you care about fair voting. You don’t.

 

[volinbham]

Their votes should be of equal weight. We agree.

they are of equal weight - the unit of analysis is the state as states elect the POTUS. within a state each voter's vote carries the same weight.

 

[C-south]

they are of equal weight - the unit of analysis is the state as states elect the POTUS. within a state each voter's vote carries the same weight.

You forget LG and the rest of the liberal minions love them some federal gubment.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

PMSNBC. Lol.

Imagine being in your 50's and thinking that was witty.

why so much butthurt. You don't seem so bothered by all the witty Trump nicknames.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Ok, as usual, a lot of distortion by the echo chamber.

According to even Fox, the issue is that the team's coach thought that the flag might be viewed as "divisive." That's a quote. Divisive. Not racist as OP claimed was the issue.

California high school football players fly thin blue line flag despite ban: Report

I also cannot find any reference to a lawsuit by the ACLU to force students from carrying such a flag. Does OP or anyone else have a link to something referencing the claim from OP that "The ACLU is filing suit to stop the kids from doing this ..." because that appears to be incorrect.

Personally, I disagree with the coach (I see some articles that its a district decision) on this point. I just wanted to point out that the claim that its because some authority has decided its "racist" when all I can find is that its "divisive," and the claim that there is an ACLU lawsuit to stop display of the fact, both seem inaccurate.

Hey chief, it was on the local news I watched in LA. Believe it out not, I couldn't care less. I know what I saw. It was referred to as a symbol of white supremacy, and there was an ACLU spokesperson championing that statement.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If they have been banned from flying a flag - I would expect the ACLU to be representing them, not suing them.

Lol. Now THAT is funny right there

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

So that proposal would shift increased weight to population centers?

Lol.. yeah, no. The population centers will collapse the electoral college before they plant my dead body, so there is no need to change anything. The EC system is dead, it just doesn't know it yet.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Me, too. I agree. And especially this. I think its fine for them to express their gratitude to law enforcement in this manner.

Occurs to me that the objection may be that the blue line is embedded in the flag. I wonder if everyone would be happier if they carried two flags, the first being the American flag and the second being a solid blue one.

Everybody wins.

No they don't because some butthurt people are telling me what flag can look like so as to not offend them. In other words, censoring my right of free speech. So **** your feelings.... None of you care one iota about anyone else's unless they are toeing your party line.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

why so much butthurt. You don't seem so bothered by all the witty Trump nicknames.

Is there butthurt? I'm just ragging on a thin-skinned wuss.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Police chief bans 'Thin Blue Line' imagery, says it's been 'co-opted' by extremists

This article above provides more context on why "Thin Blue Line" imagery is facing opposition. It isn't just happening in deep blue states, such as California. This Police Chief in question, Kristen Roman, is in Madison, Wisconsin, and she also just happens to be white.

* Off Topic Below *

Also, if anyone remembers the 1988 documentary "The Thin Blue Line," the term was used as mockery in that movie. Since that doc, it has also applied to police culture where officers not only tell lies which favor the prosecution, but they also face immense internal pressure from within their precincts to help cover-up the misconduct of fellow officers with lies. Those who refuse, typically face retaliation from their colleagues. "The Thin Blue Line" is not always a form of flattery to the police. That's just something to keep in mind.

 

[Septic]

Smaller states like Tennessee, Mississippi, West Virginia, and Alabama would be disproportionately hurt by this scheme. No the Founders knew what they were doing.

Define "hurt". Who specifically would be "hurt" by allowing everyone's vote to be heard?

 

[GroverCleveland]

I had a mild chuckle.

Yeah, me too.

Imagine having watched any of MSNBC and NOT thinking that was amusing.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I don't know - really not part of the equation.

Like I said, there are 5.3m registered republican's in Cali. That's more than 10-12 other states combined. Those voters will NEVER have a say so in a general election.

Purple states could swing either way, imagine the right losing Florida by a single ballot and still getting every electorate vote? Hanging chads ring a bell.

It's a dumb system.

It was purposely designed to elevate the power of individual States over that of the mob in population centers. It seems to achieve that purpose. In that respect, it isn't "dumb."

I understand a lot of people do not like it, but I really have not heard anyone who does address it from the perspective of its intent. Most just pitch a fit and hurl superficial insults.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Purple states could swing either way, imagine the right losing Florida by a single ballot and still getting every electorate vote? Hanging chads ring a bell.

It's a dumb system.

Based on the childish hissy fit that Donald Trump and the Republican Party pitched over losing the 2020 Presidential General Election, by an electoral college vote count total of 306 to 232 .... Can you imagine what they would do if they ever lost a Presidential General Election under these circumstances :

1) The electoral college vote count total was 271 to 266.

2) The decisive state in the electoral college vote count, with a population of over 16 million people at the time, was won by just 537 votes.

3) The Governor of that decisive state, was also the brother of the winning candidate.

Even as it stands now, no candidate for President has ever been more of a sore loser than Donald Trump was in 2020 ... What would they do if they ever lost an election, under the scenario which I described above? Which, by the way, has actually happened before.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Is there butthurt? I'm just ragging on a thin-skinned wuss.

No, there's butthurt. You demonstrate it nicely. Good day sir.

 

[Septic]

It was purposely designed to elevate the power of individual States over that of the mob in population centers. It seems to achieve that purpose. In that respect, it isn't "dumb."

I understand a lot of people do not like it, but I really have not heard anyone who does address it from the perspective of its intent. Most just pitch a fit and hurl superficial insults.

The EC in and of itself isn't dumb - but the winner take all aspect is.

Let me put it to you (or anyone else) like this for anyone who may be missing my point - the number of REPUBLICAN EC votes lost and silenced in EVERY general election in California alone due to the winner take all system is more than all of the EC votes awarded by the State of Georgia.

It's like losing an additional States EC votes - every time.

Let that sink in.

 

[C-south]

Police chief bans 'Thin Blue Line' imagery, says it's been 'co-opted' by extremists

This article above provides more context on why "Thin Blue Line" imagery is facing opposition. It isn't just happening in deep blue states, such as California. This Police Chief in question, Kristen Roman, is in Madison, Wisconsin, and she also just happens to be white.

* Off Topic Below *

Also, if anyone remembers the 1988 documentary "The Thin Blue Line," the term was used as mockery in that movie. Since that doc, it has also applied to police culture where officers not only tell lies which favor the prosecution, but they also face immense internal pressure from within their precincts to help cover-up the misconduct of fellow officers with lies. Those who refuse, typically face retaliation from their colleagues. "The Thin Blue Line" is not always a form of flattery to the police. That's just something to keep in mind.

The same ones who find the thin blue line flag “offensive” also find the American flag to be “offensive”.

 

[volinbham]

Define "hurt". Who specifically would be "hurt" by allowing everyone's vote to be heard?

who's vote isn't being heard

 

[Sandman 423]

Based on the childish hissy fit that Donald Trump and the Republican Party pitched over losing the 2020 Presidential General Election, by an electoral college vote count total of 306 to 232 .... Can you imagine what they would do if they ever lost a Presidential General Election under these circumstances :

1) The electoral college vote count total was 271 to 266.

2) The decisive state in the electoral college vote count, with a population of over 16 million people at the time, was won by just 537 votes.

3) The Governor of that decisive state, was also the brother of the winning candidate.

Even as it stands now, no candidate for President has ever been more of a sore loser than Donald Trump was in 2020 ... What would they do if they ever lost an election, under the scenario which I described above? Which, by the way, has actually happened before.

Clinton and Trump are neck and neck, imo.