More liberal politicians believe they need to choose for Mommy and Daddy

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NEOCON said:
NYC may put restrictions on kids' fast-food meals- MSN Money

It appears NYC is about to ban the Happy Meal.

As many know, McDonald's has been the target for the Center for Science In the Public Interest.
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I am just curious as to how this is substantially different from refusing to acknowledge gay marriage, refusing to legalize drugs, refusing to legalize prostitution, outlawing smoking in public places (something that can and should be blamed on both parties, across the aisle), etc.

Can you clear this up for me?
 
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therealUT said:
I am just curious as to how this is substantially different from refusing to acknowledge gay marriage, refusing to legalize drugs, refusing to legalize prostitution, outlawing smoking in public places (something that can and should be blamed on both parties, across the aisle), etc.

Can you clear this up for me?
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I am not against any of the above except smoking in public which harms the person not smoking more than the one smoking and takes their choice out of the equation. I also go to a cigar parlor when I want to get my smoke on surrounded by other smokers wanting to get their smoke on. All other options listed above are personal choices and only harm the one making the choice.

:hi:
 
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This guy is telling us what we should eat?
 
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NEOCON said:
I am not against any of the above except smoking in public which harms the person not smoking more than the one smoking and takes their choice out of the equation. I also go to a cigar parlor when I want to get my smoke on surrounded by other smokers wanting to get their smoke on. All other options listed above are personal choices and only harm the one making the choice.

:hi:
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They have a right to demand their business proprietors specifically cater to their needs? Not at all.

The same arguments for the greater good, or against collateral harm, can be applied regarding the issues of trans fats, sugars, happy meals, etc.

The precedents for this legislation were set back when conservatives felt the need to legislate morality.
 
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Agree with realUT. This is the broken logic of federal morality coming home to roost.
 
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NEOCON said:
I am not against any of the above except smoking in public which harms the person not smoking more than the one smoking and takes their choice out of the equation. I also go to a cigar parlor when I want to get my smoke on surrounded by other smokers wanting to get their smoke on. All other options listed above are personal choices and only harm the one making the choice.

:hi:
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link?
 
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NEOCON said:
I am not against any of the above except smoking in public which harms the person not smoking more than the one smoking and takes their choice out of the equation. I also go to a cigar parlor when I want to get my smoke on surrounded by other smokers wanting to get their smoke on. All other options listed above are personal choices and only harm the one making the choice.

:hi:
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kev20 said:
link?
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On file down at the morgue
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
nyc-councilman-leroy-comrie.jpg


This guy is telling us what we should eat?
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Your point being ?

He appears to have descent amount of knowledge concerning food. He looks qualified to me....
I would believe he could tell you what's good and what's not.
 
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I couldn't tell you how many times I've been flying down the bike path at come up on someone puffing away on a cigarette. Nothing better than making me cough bad when I'm in the 170bpm range. To the point where I've yelled at multiple people about it. However, secondhand smoke is not worse than actually smoking a cigarette. It is terrible for you, though.
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smoking on a bike path...that's like eating a king-size snickers bar and washing it down with a diet coke
 
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IPorange said:
Good call. Luckily for me, the Mayo Clinic and I are in agreement.
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So you agree second hand smoke can kill you but that it's not proven it kills you faster than actual first hand smoke?

Why are we even bothering debating this?

My point is prostitution is a choice between the john and hooker.

Gay marriage is a choice bewtween the gays.

Gambling is a choice made by the gambler.

Breathing second hand smoke is not a choice by the one breathing it when smoking is allowed publicly everywhere. It is unavoidable and not fair.

I do believe you should be allowed to smoke in the right place. I can't get drunk publicly either. If I could, I might be sloshed from dawn to dusk.
 
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You said second hand smoke is worse than actually smoking. I didn't bring it up, someone else did.
 
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IPorange said:
You said second hand smoke is worse than actually smoking. I didn't bring it up, someone else did.
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They're both bad for ya.

I am also 30 minutes away from heading over to smoke a cigar and down a whiskey and ginger ale or 3 ... so take it with a grain of salt.
 
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NEOCON said:
My point is prostitution is a choice between the john and hooker.
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Many STDs can gestate unnoticed. Prostitution could lead to a higher rate of STDs, even for those not involved in prostitution (neither prostitute nor john). The effects could have harmful, unintended consequences on legally innocent persons.

NEOCON said:
Gambling is a choice made by the gambler.
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A habitual gambler could gamble away house and home, leaving wives and children in destitution. The lack of repayment on houses and credit cards means that the rest of society has to pick up the slack.

NEOCON said:
Breathing second hand smoke is not a choice by the one breathing it when smoking is allowed publicly everywhere. It is unavoidable and not fair.

I do believe you should be allowed to smoke in the right place. I can't get drunk publicly either. If I could, I might be sloshed from dawn to dusk.
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Could you list some of these "right place"? Thus far, conservative state and municipal governments (along with liberal governments) have outlawed smoking in restaurants and bars; some proposals exist to outlaw smoking in homes.

Again, the precedent to outlaw trans fats and "unhealthy" food were established years ago by conservative legislators who wanted to legislate morality.
 
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There's no doubt that actually smoking is far worse than secondhand smoke but there's even less doubt that the smoke coming from the lit end of a cigarette is more hazardous than the filtered end. The main difference is that smokers inhale hundreds times more smoke than nonsmokers who have to deal with secondhand smoke. As a nonsmoker I think it's annoying but I deal with when I have to it knowing that the small amount of smoke I inhale is relatively harmless.
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