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MG1968 said:
I think the "Hillary is too old to be POTUS" should be used. That tactic was used somewhat successfully against McCain and Hillary, should she be elected, will be older than McCain would have been.

She's unlikely to be the nominee, however. If Joe Biden decides that he is going to run (again) the democrat big money machine (unions, Hollywood and George Soros) will put their money behind him. Hillary, for all her many faults, is smart and unlike Joe, wouldn't be as easily controlled as Obama and Biden are controlled by monied interests.
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Neither will excite the young or minority vote not to mention both will have ACA hanging around their necks, which the full effects will be felt by then. All the R's need to do is nominate a charismatic guy that won't scare people.
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
I think the nominee being Hillary is the best thing that can happen for the GOP.

Bring it on.
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Me too, she would really excite the Dem base and so called independents, not! Not to mention, outside of a Monica Crowley situation her arrogance will destroy her in the debates.
 
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hog88 said:
Neither will excite the young or minority vote not to mention both will have ACA hanging around their necks, which the full effects will be felt by then. All the R's need to do is nominate a charismatic guy that won't scare people.
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too bad the GOP doesn't have anybody like that
 
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hog88 said:
No, I think there is a great opportunity for a true conservative candidate to emerge from the mess that is the GOP today. Who that is, I don't know right now.
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The definition of a "true conservative" is where you run into trouble.

It does not appear that a fiscal conservative, but social moderate, can win the party's nomination. But, anyone not at least moderate on social issues cannot win the general.

If you want to win, you have to nominate a social moderate. The math on this is not hard.
 
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Now LG is telling the conservatives who they need to nominate.

Is this the freaking twilight zone or what?

Unbelievable.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The definition of a "true conservative" is where you run into trouble.

It does not appear that a fiscal conservative, but social moderate, can win the party's nomination. But, anyone not at least moderate on social issues cannot win the general.

If you want to win, you have to nominate a social moderate. The math on this is not hard.
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I tend to agree with you on this, except in reality all the guy would have to do is hammer on the fiscal side and keep his mouth shut on the social side.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Tell me I'm wrong. I really think this is the common wisdom, even within the GOP.
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so, not only are you tight with EveryMan, you're now down the what EveryConservative might think. Impressive, except the part where you're never right about anything - ever.
 
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hog88 said:
I tend to agree with you on this, except in reality all the guy would have to do is hammer on the fiscal side and keep his mouth shut on the social side.
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Well, part of the problem is that anyone who has gotten far enough to throw his hat in the ring is going to have a record because, to get that far, they are going to have had to engage in the standard rhetoric. Second, a sizable and vocal part of the GOP is going to push those questions.

I mean talk about your fratricide. The GOP currently has a number of factions within it who are convinced that THEY are the "true conservatives," everyone else is a RINO, and THEY on a mission to save the party from itself.

Those folks don't sit idly by at rallies and comment to their neighbors that "Its okay if he isn't a Super Christian and mum's the word on that." They get all up in his bidness about their agendas.
 
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hog88 said:
MR was not a social conservative by any means and he won the nomination.
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Barely. And even then only because anyone who started to make a run at him got shot down by Romney's trazillionaire friends. Ask Rick Santorum or Herman Cain about that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, part of the problem is that anyone who has gotten far enough to throw his hat in the ring is going to have a record because, to get that far, they are going to have had to engage in the standard rhetoric. Second, a sizable and vocal part of the GOP is going to push those questions.

I mean talk about your fratricide. The GOP currently has a number of factions within it who are convinced that THEY are the "true conservatives," everyone else is a RINO, and THEY on a mission to save the party from itself.

Those folks don't sit idly by at rallies and comment to their neighbors that "Its okay if he isn't a Super Christian and mum's the word on that." They get all up in his bidness about their agendas.
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See above MR nor John McCain were social conservatives or fiscal conservatives for that matter and won the nomination.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Barely. And even then only because anyone who started to make a run at him got shot down by Romney's trazillionaire friends. Ask Rick Santorum or Herman Cain about that.
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Your pathetic. You first claim only a social conservative can win the nomination, I point out an example and you make an excuse.
 
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hog88 said:
See above MR nor John McCain were social conservatives or fiscal conservatives for that matter and won the nomination.
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Again, with as lukewarm support as you can possibly get. There was zero enthusiasm behind either of them. It was all just anti-Obama. And they won't have this time around.

Crikes, to bolster McCain's conservative quotient they tagged Palin as the VP. It worked in the sense that it got the base to hold its nose and go for McCain. But it failed because she then turned off anyone with even a feeble education.

If Hillary runs, with all the it takes a village stuff, and more health care reform in the offing, the TP wing of the GOP is not going to stand for another Casper Milquetoast just in hopes that the electoral map stars will align and he accidentally wins.

They are going to want, not someone who can actually BEAT Hillary, but someone who makes them feel like they are standing up to her.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Again, with as lukewarm support as you can possibly get. There was zero enthusiasm behind either of them. It was all just anti-Obama. And they won't have this time around.

Crikes, to bolster McCain's conservative quotient they tagged Palin as the VP. It worked in the sense that it got the base to hold its nose and go for McCain. But it failed because she then turned off anyone with even a feeble education.

If Hillary runs, with all the it takes a village stuff, and more health care reform in the offing, the TP wing of the GOP is not going to stand for another Casper Milquetoast just in hopes that the electoral map stars will align and he accidentally wins.

They are going to want, not someone who can actually BEAT Hillary, but someone who makes them feel like they are standing up to her.
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Thank you for proving my point. One does not have to be a hard core social conservative to win the nomination.

McCain couldn't have won the general regardless, Romney would have wiped the floor with Obama if he would have been a, and demonstrated being a fiscal conservative. Hell if he would have just put out a plan and some details he would have won.

Romney was about as bad of a candidate as McCain.
 
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