More Wealth Distribution Nonsense

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#51
droski said:
considering palin's quick rise i very much doubt she is stupid. a wackjob maybe, but not stupid. and the chances of mccain croaking in office have to be less than 10% at least. I'm willing to take a 10% chance a wackjob is president than a 100% chance a wackjob socialist is president.
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Well said.
 
#52
#52
kptvol said:
What makes you so confident Obama is all that intelligent? Even if he is, what makes you think that makes him capable of running the United States. I know several people I'm quite certain have higher IQs than Obama, but I don't think any of them could handle such a task.
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I have a high IQ but you definitely don't want me running the country - you should see my house!
 
#53
#53
I get it. All this time Obama has just been pretending to be very intelligent, while at the same time Palin has been pretending to be a total idiot.
Ok...I get it now.:crazy:
 
#54
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onevolfan said:
I get it. All this time Obama has just been pretending to be very intelligent, while at the same time Palin has been pretending to be a total idiot.
Ok...I get it now.:crazy:
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how has obama been showing he is very intelligent? link? i'd love to see an independent thought that doesn't involve a teleprompter. and at least palin doesn't think the tv was invented in the 20s.
 
#55
#55
onevolfan said:
I get it. All this time Obama has just been pretending to be very intelligent, while at the same time Palin has been pretending to be a total idiot.
Ok...I get it now.:crazy:
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It doesn't matter, her IQ would be 160 and you will still call her dumb because she is simply a republican.
 
#56
#56
droski said:
how has obama been showing he is very intelligent? link? i'd love to see an independent thought that doesn't involve a teleprompter. and at least palin doesn't think the tv was invented in the 20s.
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She evidently didn't feel like explaining to Katie Couric that she reads newspapers and the clearly means she doesn't know how to read.
 
#57
#57
droski said:
considering palin's quick rise i very much doubt she is stupid. a wackjob maybe, but not stupid. and the chances of mccain croaking in office have to be less than 10% at least. I'm willing to take a 10% chance a wackjob is president than a 100% chance a wackjob socialist is president.
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Stupid isn't really the right word. Being utterly uninformed and appearing not to really care to be bother me in a VP candidate.




OrangeEmpire said:
It doesn't matter, her IQ would be 160 and you will still call her dumb because she is simply a republican.
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I wouldn't. I think McCain is smart. I think Gulianni is very smart. Similarly, I think a number of Democrats are blithering idiots -- Pelosi comes ot mind.
 
#58
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lawgator1 said:
Why is it "more socialistic" to have a tax break for the middle class and roll back the tax breaks for the wealthiest?
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rolling back tax breaks is political goop for new taxes on the wealthiest to pay for something for everyone else, since the wealthiest probably don't need it.
 
#59
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BigPapaVol said:
rolling back tax breaks is political goop for new taxes on the wealthiest to pay for something for everyone else, since the wealthiest probably don't need it.
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Everyone? I'm not wealthy, and I don't need any kind of social program. I'm pretty middle class. As is everybody I work with and live around. The number of people that would actually qualify for welfare, or government healthcare, is pretty far from "everyone", much less even close to a majority....or even half for that matter. Lawgator has it right...it is redistribution with both plans, the only thing that differs is who is getting and who is giving.

You're making it out like the wealthiest is all going to get taxed so nobody else has to work again.

Lawgator1:
I like McCain, too, think he's very intelligent and would make a fine president. If he wins, I won't be unhappy, unless he croaks, in which case I think we are screwed in a huge way
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This is pretty much the way I feel. McCain is alright, but from where I sit, his first executive decision was a failure.
 
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rjd970 said:
Everyone? I'm not wealthy, and I don't need any kind of social program. I'm pretty middle class. As is everybody I work with and live around. The number of people that would actually qualify for welfare, or government healthcare, is pretty far from "everyone", much less even close to a majority....or even half for that matter. Lawgator has it right...it is redistribution with both plans, the only thing that differs is who is getting and who is giving.

You're making it out like the wealthiest is all going to get taxed so nobody else has to work again.
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I'm talking about crap like gov't provided healthcare for 40 million Americans, $1800 tax rebates, reduced tax bills that put more money in pockets.

Gov't largesse isn't just about welfare recipients.

It is less redistro with McCain and additive with Econ clown. I said the system is inherently socialistic as it has been bastardized to be by those buying votes with tax dollars. One of these guys will exacerbate the problem and one will reduce the problem. The policies of each can be relative to current, you know.
 
#61
#61
rjd970 said:
Everyone? I'm not wealthy, and I don't need any kind of social program. I'm pretty middle class. As is everybody I work with and live around. The number of people that would actually qualify for welfare, or government healthcare, is pretty far from "everyone", much less even close to a majority....or even half for that matter. Lawgator has it right...it is redistribution with both plans, the only thing that differs is who is getting and who is giving.

You're making it out like the wealthiest is all going to get taxed so nobody else has to work again.
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There is a clear difference as has been pointed out several times in this thread. BO's plan is going to directly transfer $ from some to others - not through government programs - through direct cash payments.

McCain's plan is much less distributive than Obama's on many levels. It's a red herring to argue they are equivalent on the notion of redistribution.
 
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volinbham said:
It's a red herring to argue they are equivalent on the notion of redistribution.
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It's not a red herring. It's pure semantics and dead wrong. The fact that redistribution is now woven into our ridiculous tax scheme is immaterial to the level of socialism inherent in any new plan.
 
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#63
#63
I think we should start a support thread for BPV and Volinbham. There seems to be anger and frustration with their posts. Life just generally seems to really suck for them right now. Both candidates for president are pathetic, the more socialist is probably going to win, the Vols are down, economy is in the tank...

It will be alright guys, I promise the world won't come to an end no matter who is in charge for the next 4 years....and the Vols will be back sooner or later. The rest of us that are wrong with whatever you guys don't agree with will eventually see the light...
 
#64
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rjd970 said:
I think we should start a support thread for BPV and Volinbham. There seems to be anger and frustration with their posts. Life just generally seems to really suck for them right now. Both candidates for president are pathetic, the more socialist is probably going to win, the Vols are down, economy is in the tank...

It will be alright guys, I promise the world won't come to an end no matter who is in charge for the next 4 years....and the Vols will be back sooner or later. The rest of us that are wrong with whatever you guys don't agree with will eventually see the light...
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since it dosn't matter who's elected, why does Obama need your blind support?
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#70
#70
rjd970 said:
I think we should start a support thread for BPV and Volinbham. There seems to be anger and frustration with their posts. Life just generally seems to really suck for them right now. Both candidates for president are pathetic, the more socialist is probably going to win, the Vols are down, economy is in the tank...

It will be alright guys, I promise the world won't come to an end no matter who is in charge for the next 4 years....and the Vols will be back sooner or later. The rest of us that are wrong with whatever you guys don't agree with will eventually see the light...
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You couldn't be more wrong - I'm sticking to the facts. Claims that the redistribution is equivalent is complete nonsense.

I'm challenging your argument - if you feel the need to turn this into something about my feelings then I guess we all know what that means about the merits of your argument :hi:
 
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#72
lawgator1 said:
We are agreeing with each other that the tax system is, by definition, redistributing wealth. My point was that McCain's supporters blasting Obama for "wealth redistribution" is intellectually bankrupt because no matter who tinkers with the tax system or how they are by definition redistributing wealth.
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Negative. The redistribution is part of the collection method and the spending programs. If the tax burden is equal across the board (i.e. flat tax, NSTs, or fair taxes) and is spent only on projects that would more efficiently and easily allow for trade between states and foreign governments and on national security and defense measures, then any "wealth redistribution" would be so minimal as to be immaterial.
 
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