Most dominant athlete in his sport

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allvol123 said:
Tiger has won all the golf majors. Has Federer won all the tennis majors?
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I have thought about this one for a while. I love clay courts, especially when I play someone who puts a lot of pace on the ball. It also takes hard angle out of ground strokes because it comes off of the surface so slowly. It allows more time to react to a shot. (I actually have a backhand on clay).

To me, that is equivalent to Tiger giving other pros strokes.
 
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kptvol said:
All but the French Open. He's won all the other ones multiple times and has been in the French Open finals several times.
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So Tiger has won them all, each more than once. So there is a type of tournament Roger cannot even win. Tiger does not have that problem.
 
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allvol123 said:
So there is a type of tournament Roger cannot even win. Tiger does not have that problem.
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He can win it. He just hasn't yet. Once he does, he'll be almost unquestionably the most accomplished tennis player of all time.

The difference is, when Federer enters any tournament not named the French Open, that tournament becomes a battle for second place. Everyone knows Roger is winning it. If he lost, it would be absolutely shocking. Tiger may be a better golfer than Federer is a tennis player, but I don't think he's more dominant.
 
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kptvol said:
He can win it. He just hasn't yet. Once he does, he'll be almost unquestionably the most accomplished tennis player of all time..
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I agree that Fed will eventually take the French. His game and mind for the game will last longer than the youth in Bulldog Nadal's legs.

That being said, and I have a very healthy awe for the way Federer plays the game, it will take several more years of consistent play at the top to garner best all time honors from me.

The travel and training take a serious toll on #1 level players. Maintaining excellence is the deciding factor in a best ever argument. As it should be.

*Funny that this Federer discussion pops up now. Everyone was throwing snooze smileys at me last week when I was talking Wimbledon...
 
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By the way, what Borg did in an era that included McEnroe, Lendl and Connors, still makes him the best ever in my mind. And yes, I say that even though Borg never captured a US Open...
 
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allvol123 said:
So Tiger has won them all, each more than once. So there is a type of tournament Roger cannot even win. Tiger does not have that problem.
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Tiger definitely has that problem. Short tight track with lots of doglegs (ie Southern Hills) and deep rough takes away much of his strength. Additionally, the Ryder Cup has repeatedly proven that Tiger sucks on slow greens. I think Tiger is the most dominant golfer era, but for sheer dominance I'm taking Gretzky.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Tiger definitely has that problem. Short tight track with lots of doglegs (ie Southern Hills) and deep rough takes away much of his strength. Additionally, the Ryder Cup has repeatedly proven that Tiger sucks on slow greens. I think Tiger is the most dominant golfer era, but for sheer dominance I'm taking Gretzky.
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He has won every major was my point. Will Tiger be considered the greatest golfer ever when he is done? Will Federer be considered the greatest tennis play ever when he is done?
 
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allvol123 said:
He has won every major was my point. Will Tiger be considered the greatest golfer ever when he is done? Will Federer be considered the greatest tennis play ever when he is done?
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I think the answer to both of those is yes.
 
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kptvol said:
He can win it. He just hasn't yet. Once he does, he'll be almost unquestionably the most accomplished tennis player of all time.

The difference is, when Federer enters any tournament not named the French Open, that tournament becomes a battle for second place. Everyone knows Roger is winning it. If he lost, it would be absolutely shocking. Tiger may be a better golfer than Federer is a tennis player, but I don't think he's more dominant.
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That is a big "if", him winning it. You'd think if he was the most dominant athlete, he could win this once?

Yea, the other players are playing for second when he is in a tournament. But it is unrealistic to compare golf and tennis in that kind of scenario.
 
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allvol123 said:
He has won every major was my point. Will Tiger be considered the greatest golfer ever when he is done? Will Federer be considered the greatest tennis play ever when he is done?
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Tiger's problem in this argument is that he is playing the wrong sport. You can only be so dominant in golf. If you win 30% of your tournaments, that's awesome. Federer and some of the other tennis greats can do much better than that. Golf just isn't a sport that allows for dominance of that magnitude.
 
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allvol123 said:
That is a big "if", him winning it. You'd think if he was the most dominant athlete, he could win this once?
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Federer is only 25. How old was Tiger when he managed to win all the tournaments? That's not a rhetorical question, I really don't know.
 
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kptvol said:
Tiger's problem in this argument is that he is playing the wrong sport. You can only be so dominant in golf. If you win 30% of your tournaments, that's awesome. Federer and some of the other tennis greats can do much better than that. Golf just isn't a sport that allows for dominance of that magnitude.
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You are correct, golf does not allow for the same type of winning percentage as tennis. That in part, makes for the difficulty in a conclusive decision in the matter.
 
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