Most over-rated and under-rated President

#51
#51
Reagan is over-rated when Obama starts claiming he's like Reagan...

One thing people forget about Reagan though is how he transformed the attitude of the nation. If you didn't live through the 70s (with political awareness) you really don't know how depressed this country was mentally. We were beaten down, inflation was high, interest rates were high, growth was non-existent and everything looked bad both domestically and foreign policy wise. Reagan was a true leader in the sense of restoring the nation's faith in itself along with policies that ushered in tremendous economic expansion and finalized the defeat of the Soviets.

Not too shabby.
 
#52
#52
volinbham said:
Reagan is over-rated when Obama starts claiming he's like Reagan...

One thing people forget about Reagan though is how he transformed the attitude of the nation. If you didn't live through the 70s (with political awareness) you really don't know how depressed this country was mentally. We were beaten down, inflation was high, interest rates were high, growth was non-existent and everything looked bad both domestically and foreign policy wise. Reagan was a true leader in the sense of restoring the nation's faith in itself along with policies that ushered in tremendous economic expansion and finalized the defeat of the Soviets.

Not too shabby.
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I'm thinking many of our vol nation brethren don't appreciate the defeat of Soviet Union. Maybe many of them wish it was us instead. Eh Comrades?
 
#54
#54
volinbham said:
Reagan is over-rated when Obama starts claiming he's like Reagan...

One thing people forget about Reagan though is how he transformed the attitude of the nation. If you didn't live through the 70s (with political awareness) you really don't know how depressed this country was mentally. We were beaten down, inflation was high, interest rates were high, growth was non-existent and everything looked bad both domestically and foreign policy wise. Reagan was a true leader in the sense of restoring the nation's faith in itself along with policies that ushered in tremendous economic expansion and finalized the defeat of the Soviets.

Not too shabby.
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yup he told the american public that he would lower inflation and they believed him. major reason why inflation dropped so much during his presidency.
 
#55
#55
volinbham said:
Reagan is over-rated when Obama starts claiming he's like Reagan...

One thing people forget about Reagan though is how he transformed the attitude of the nation. If you didn't live through the 70s (with political awareness) you really don't know how depressed this country was mentally. We were beaten down, inflation was high, interest rates were high, growth was non-existent and everything looked bad both domestically and foreign policy wise. Reagan was a true leader in the sense of restoring the nation's faith in itself along with policies that ushered in tremendous economic expansion and finalized the defeat of the Soviets.

Not too shabby.
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You forgot the Vietnam hangover.
 
#56
#56
utvolpj said:
he took over for an imbecile so it's hard not to look good. Then you compare him with the ones who followed and he looks even better. Very few Presidents who have done more
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So Obama looks good to you ?
 
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azVolFan said:
I'm thinking many of our vol nation brethren don't appreciate the defeat of Soviet Union. Maybe many of them wish it was us instead. Eh Comrades?
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I just think their defeat was inevitable, and really had little to do with external pressure from the US.
 
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IPorange said:
I just think their defeat was inevitable, and really had little to do with external pressure from the US.
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i agree it was inevitable, but there is no question the military competition from the US sped that process up.
 
#62
#62
droski said:
i agree it was inevitable, but there is no question the military competition from the US spead that process up.
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Probably. The cost of that tactic has been the sprawling and inefficient military-industrial complex we have today.
 
#63
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IPorange said:
Probably. The cost of that tactic has been the sprawling and inefficient military-industrial complex we have today.
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the inefficiencies are inherent in any large govt organization. the primary problem is the huge national dependance on this spending. i agree with you in principle, but the soviet threat was not minor.
 
#66
#66
One problem is that anyone who threatens to pick up the Reagan mantle will be attacked and scrutinized by the left and MSM until their public image will not allow them to run.

The major difference between Bill Clinton's and Newt Gingrich's sexual transgressions... is that Gingrich was an active political conservative. The MSM attacked him relentlessly for doing less than BC. They rallied the wagons around Clinton and assured that the battle became a "politics as usual/they're just trying to sling mud" type of issue.

Another great example is Mitch Daniels. Politico is now running a story on the shocking revelation that Daniels as a college student in 1970 was arrested and fined for pot possession.... funny they weren't interested at all when people said Obama had used cocaine within the last 10 years.
 
#68
#68
IPorange said:
I just think their defeat was inevitable, and really had little to do with external pressure from the US.
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I disagree - our support of people on the ground; particularly in Poland was significant. We had a long and ongoing strategy to expose those behind the Iron Curtain to the benefits of freedom. This was as important or more than the military build-up pressure that forced them to spend well beyond their abilities.

It would have happened eventually so from that standpoint likely inevitable but we pushed it along quite strategically.
 
#69
#69
Gramps said:
True.

IMO None of the candidates being mentioned as running in 2012 are any better.

May be a good time for Jeb Bush to jump in.
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Normally, I would take all the bush I could get but in this situation I think I'll pass.
 
#70
#70
Gotta agree Reagan is overrated. He did some solid things, but some worship him as the second coming.

Underrated I might go with Andrew Jackson. I don't know his full history, but he was the last president to pay off the national debt, which stands for something IMO.
 
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rjd970 said:
Gotta agree Reagan is overrated. He did some solid things, but some worship him as the second coming.

Underrated I might go with Andrew Jackson. I don't know his full history, but he was the last president to pay off the national debt, which stands for something IMO.
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He was the only one to ever do it.
 
#72
#72
rjd970 said:
Gotta agree Reagan is overrated. He did some solid things, but some worship him as the second coming.

Underrated I might go with Andrew Jackson. I don't know his full history, but he was the last president to pay off the national debt, which stands for something IMO.
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Jackson was a great president. However, he expanded the powers of the president exponentially more than had any previous president.
 
#73
#73
rjd970 said:
Gotta agree Reagan is overrated. He did some solid things, but some worship him as the second coming.

Underrated I might go with Andrew Jackson. I don't know his full history, but he was the last president to pay off the national debt, which stands for something IMO.
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I'm a big Andrew Jackson fan, but when he destroyed the central bank and put the deposits into state banks it led to a credit mess and economic problems that doomed his hand-picked predecessor, Van Buren.

On a side note, my favorite presidential quotes ever comes from him. When asked if he had any regrets he said his only regret was that he didn't shoot Henry Clay and hang John C. Calhoun.
 
#74
#74
droski said:
no myth.

his tax reform - closing the tax loopholes and lowering the tax rate for investments - DIRECTLY led to the economic boom of the next 20 years. and he did have a hand in the fall of communism. maybe given too much credit for that, but it woudl be silly to completely disregard it.
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Over: Reagan
Under: Ike

Do a little research on Ronnie and you'll find he increased taxes more than a couple of times in his 8 years. His ballooning of the deficit even with his tax increases makes Obama look like a penny pincher.
 
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#75
Orange Alert said:
I'm a big Andrew Jackson fan, but when he destroyed the central bank and put the deposits into state banks it led to a credit mess and economic problems that doomed his hand-picked predecessor, Van Buren.

On a side note, my favorite presidential quotes ever comes from him. When asked if he had any regrets he said his only regret was that he didn't shoot Henry Clay and hang John C. Calhoun.
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I'd have to say AJ's best line was (paraphrasing) "Give me a thousand men from Tennessee and I'll whip any thousand on the globe."
 
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