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#76
#76
MikeVol44 said:
Barrett Jones is NOT EVEN in the top 5 OL to ever play at the University of Alabama, much less of all time in college FB....

Good grief, stupid.......I know more about your program than you do!!

John Hannah????? Dwight Stephenson??????
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His career was absolutely equal to Hannah's, and considerably better than Stephenson's. He's the most accomplished college lineman of all-time.
 
#77
#77
MikeVol44 said:
It's not flawed there Lawrence....and now you've constructed a straw man and have me saying that Hershel Walker was over-rated when I've NEVER even remotely communicated that idea!

In fact, I believe I've stated that I believe the BEST RB to ever play the game in college is either Walker or Bo....leaning heavily towards Herschel.

And the TRUTH is that the NFL is certainly a valid test in discussing the greatest RBs of all time....

Payton, Sayers, Jim Brown, E. Smith, B. Sanders, Dorsett, Bo Jackson all belong in that conversation....

And as a P.S. Just who does dominate in the NFL like they did in college??

I don't seem to remember ANY teams willing to trade away multiple #1 draft picks and multiple players for Richardson......like they did for Herschel.
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You said this...
Making it in the NFL has always been a fair yardstick for measuring just how good a player really is because it's the highest level of competition in the sport.
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...which, in spite of what I saw with my own eyes in Tempe, Arizona back in 1996, can only mean one thing.

Tommie Frazier was an overrated CFB QB.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
I specifically said "...the only UT back of his time..."

What is so hard to understand about that specific statement???

I didn't say "....the only UT back of ALL TIME..."

I named a specific window of time because NO ONE on this site thought that Foster was gonna make it in the NFL...
And NO ONE on sports radio about the VOLS thought Foster was gonna make it, either.

You're comment---"...not sure who the rest were..." tells me all that I need to know about you.

You don't remember that era...so you have NO IDEA why I made my comment.
And you don't even take the time to ask me "WHY" I made the statement.

You just open your mouth and start spouting out all kinds of reasons for why I'm wrong when you don't even have a clue about what conversations were happening back then about our RBs.
That, sir, is just plain 'ol stupid....

And I try to be civil and have conversations with folks who actually know a little about the game....
but guys like you make it extremely difficult.


Riggs, Jr was a SR in 2005....

Foster played with Lamarcus Coker, Hardesty, Lennon Creer, and Tauren Poole in 2008 when Poole was a FR.

But--EVERYONE was squawking about how bad Foster was and that he was NEVER GONNA MAKE IT in the NFL....
He isn't fast enough, he fumbles, he has a bad attitude, blah..blah..blah it went on and on ad nauseum.....on the radio talk shows....

Coker, Hardesty, Creer are all 10x better than Foster they said.......They're faster, better---Foster just didn't have it....they all said....

And I was BLASTED when I called in to Sport Talk in Chattanooga and made my statements....
Riggs, Jr was the guest on the show that day and he ran his stupid mouth at me, too.

And thank you for proving my point....

And I'm sure you don't even know what that point was....
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I commented on Hardesty.

And you are the one coming on here and exploding.

I just dont see any logic to specifying only the time a player was here as the basis for judging him. To me that says you have a week argument. You might have mentioned his best player ever at UT and said he was the best RB UT had on the field on that play for all the comparison you are doing.

But please respond with random caps and a page long response.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You said this...


...which, in spite of what I saw with my own eyes in Tempe, Arizona back in 1996, can only mean one thing. Tommie Frazier was an overrated CFB QB.
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kinda sick of the straw man arguments.....if you can't come up with anything better....go pound sand.
 
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LouderVol said:
I commented on Hardesty.

And you are the one coming on here and exploding.

I just dont see any logic to specifying only the time a player was here as the basis for judging him. To me that says you have a week argument. You might have mentioned his best player ever at UT and said he was the best RB UT had on the field on that play for all the comparison you are doing.

But please respond with random caps and a page long response.
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did you even read the post, Alice?

I picked the specific window because--out of all of UT's backs between 2004--2009--no one was expecting Foster to make a career of it in the NFL.

I've repeatedly said that....and you just can't get it for some reason--weak

there---now maybe it can feel less threatened because I didn't emphasize anything and you can feel comfortable and at complete rest in being wrong
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You said this...


...which, in spite of what I saw with my own eyes in Tempe, Arizona back in 1996, can only mean one thing.

Tommie Frazier was an overrated CFB QB.
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Ok then Lawrence...

You're an NFL GM building a team for NFL competition....

You gonna pick Tommie Frazier in the 1st round as your QB?
What about Charlie Ward? gonna pick him for your QB?

good luck
 
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bamawriter said:
His career was absolutely equal to Hannah's, and considerably better than Stephenson's. He's the most accomplished college lineman of all-time.
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Nope.....wrong on both accords....he was NEVER an OL who could compare with Hannah or Stephenson....
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Speaking of men made of straw.... 😂
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Well....that's how stupid you sound when you keep making arguments that combine apples to oranges.....

If Frazier is truly one of the greatest QBs of all time in the game of FB---then draft him and change your entire offense to rest on his athleticism and skill in running the option....
same thing for Ward--a great athlete playing QB in college who was smart enough to realize that he would have a better career on the next level of competition in the NBA.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
Well....that's how stupid you sound when you keep making arguments that combine apples to oranges.....

If Frazier is truly one of the greatest QBs of all time in the game of FB---then draft him and change your entire offense to rest on his athleticism and skill in running the option....
same thing for Ward--a great athlete playing QB in college who was smart enough to realize that he would have a better career on the next level of competition in the NBA.
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We’re talking specifically the career of college football players (apples), not how an NFL GM would build a team with said college football players at the next level (oranges).

If you don’t think Tommie Frazier is one of the greatest QBs in CFB history because he didn’t play in the NFL, you just aren’t very intelligent.
 
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#91
UT. Take your pick. Both are flagships. Both wear orange. One has won a champship and played for another in our lifetime though.

Take your pick OP.
 
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#92
BUBear said:
UT. Take your pick. Both are flagships. Both wear orange. One has won a champship and played for another in our lifetime though.

Take your pick OP.
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I get flamed for this all the time but posters here act like we are historically always in the national title picture. But even under Fulmer we were a 9-3 average team. We averaged a SECE title every 4 years, won the SEC once every 8, and were NC contenders every 16.

We are good, and even great when on the up swing, but not elite.

That being said we haven't been ranked in a long time to say we are overrated now.
 
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LouderVol said:
I get flamed for this all the time but posters here act like we are historically always in the national title picture. But even under Fulmer we were a 9-3 average team. We averaged a SECE title every 4 years, won the SEC once every 8, and were NC contenders every 16.

We are good, and even great when on the up swing, but not elite.

That being said we haven't been ranked in a long time to say we are overrated now.
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And y'all's history is much greater than ours. I'm just glad Baylor is finally putting money into the program.
 
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#94
LouderVol said:
I get flamed for this all the time but posters here act like we are historically always in the national title picture. But even under Fulmer we were a 9-3 average team. We averaged a SECE title every 4 years, won the SEC once every 8, and were NC contenders every 16.

We are good, and even great when on the up swing, but not elite.

That being said we haven't been ranked in a long time to say we are overrated now.
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I think in the big picture, there are few perennial "championship level" teams in college football. Maybe like a half a dozen? Most "good" teams have 8-10 win seasons depending on the conference they play in, but sometimes go a little above and beyond to playoff contention on years they bring back good talent and have a spark on the team that elevates the game.

I mean, in the Big 12, you have the Sooners which tend to be at that "championship level" most years and the second best tends to be 8-10 win teams. Baylor this year was in the case of "elevated their game enough to pose a challenge" but it isn't sustainable. You'll see a drop off this coming year.

In the SEC, you have Alabama which always challenges for the top spot. Georgia in recent years has challenged, but then you have a serious drop off on championship caliber teams. Most do pretty well with 8-9 wins, but just can't reach that next level. LSU had a year where everything aligned perfectly and they made it all the way. But they'll drop off too and Alabama will be right back in it.
 
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#95
bamawriter said:
The conversation is about college football.
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I really don't understand the square peg/round hole conflation here. Should collegiate teams ignore and fans disavow on the field success because players that balled out for them didn't also excel at the next level? Literally nothing "unhappens" a great college career...it occurred or it didn't.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
kinda sick of the straw man arguments.....if you can't come up with anything better....go pound sand.
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Good lord you don't even understand what a straw man argument is, nor how to even consistently apply the "logic" you are coming up with.

You really need to take a break, the amount of Ls you are taking in this thread is approaching legendary status.
 
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