Mueller Report Imminent

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AM64 said:
I agree. A lot of things depend on the enemy. For example, I can't wait to see how drone warfare works against a real enemy. And it's gonna be interesting to see how our stealth technology works out in the daytime when congress or somebody else requires visual identification before firing a stand off missile. We build some neat stuff and then negate it with ROEs.
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Technology works great on the southern border. We don't need a wall, we just need more cameras and sensors to tell us how many illegals are crossing the border because a wall won't stop them. Our country is becoming a nation of girly men that don't even know how to operate a hammer. We're being invaded by the Central Americans and within a few decades we'll be the same sh!t hole country they left.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
2 textual reasons and one interpretation argument:
1. The 4th amendment applies to your person, house(s), papers, and effects. Your tax return already belongs to the government so it’s wholly outside the scope of the Amendment.
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The tax returns contain my personal financial data when returned to the government, specifically to one department within the government for the purpose of collecting revenue. However, such data could still be considered my "papers and effects" even when under government control since I voluntarily gave up that information when requested. I gave the IRS permission to look it over, not Congress nor anyone else who wants to peek into my financial matters. Such information is still mine to share with other agencies only after a reasonable request is made.

2. You could argue that the process of filing is a search, but the government has a legitimate interest in ensuring that everyone pays their taxes, so the search is still reasonable.
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It's a reasonable request to which I can withdraw my consent at any time. Just because Congress wrote themselves above the law in order to gain information on whomever they so please doesn't mean I give up my basic Constitutional rights to privacy under the 4th.

When I file my taxes, does the IRS let me know they can share that with just anyone in the government who wants it? The parameters for giving it to law enforcement are very narrow and within the scope of a reasonable exception. However, it's still defined as "may issue" based on that narrow criteria. Congress does not have that narrow criteria in that law.

A. The fourth amendment is based on privacy. You don’t have an expectation that the things that you do in public will remain private. Once you’ve shared your tax information with the government, you no longer have an expectation that it will remain private, except to the extent the government makes assurances that it will remain private. Those assurances and their exceptions are spelled out.
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Again, I should expect my information to be private unless there are special circumstances involved. "Just because" isn't a circumstance I'm comfortable with. And that's what this boils down to. "Just because" the Ways and Means Committee wants to see it to prove a political point. They have no legitimate need to see it. They have no active investigation to base their rationale on. They are pulling a political stunt with an obscure law they wrote for themselves.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Exclusive Carter Page interview live on Sunday Morning Futures.

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Carter Page says FBI informant 'intensified' communications just prior to FISA warrant

Page has sued he DNC and other actors for defamation related to accusations that he was colluding with Russian agents. The FBI, in its Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) application, flatly called Page "an agent of a foreign power." Page has not been charged with any wrongdoing despite months of surveillance, and the dossier that the FBI relied upon in its FISA application has largely been discredited as a political document rife with inaccuracies.

In its warrant application, the FBI assured the FISA court on numerous occasions that other sources independently corroborated the dossier's claims but did not clearly state that the dossier's author worked for a firm hired by Hillary Clinton's campaign.
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Stew Cook said:
OK, so your campaign manager gives polling data to a Russian oligarch Kremlin surrogate, and that alone wouldn't be enough to justify an investigation. Forget about timing hacked DNC leaks to campaign events, because that wouldn't be enough. Forget publicly calling for Russia to hack your opponent, nah, nothing there.... etc.. etc..

Of course there are logical explanations, it's what people attempt to do here, regularly

But yeah you know Hillary is guilty and should be in jail.
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That’s your proof? Providing public poll info to someone, an assumption you are making on the timing of a hack with absolutely no correlation between said hacker and Trump, and a joke Trump made during a speech? Let me guess, you believe Trump thinks that windmills cause cancer too, right?
 
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hUTch2002 said:
That’s your proof? Providing public poll info to someone, an assumption you are making on the timing of a hack with absolutely no correlation between said hacker and Trump, and a joke Trump made during a speech? Let me guess, you believe Trump thinks that windmills cause cancer too, right?
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Not public data, internal polling data. And it's not proof of anything other than "possible" collusion with the propaganda efforts of the GRU which were micro targeting battleground areas, down to the county level. Besides that, it wouldn't necessarily be illegal, if there were not knowledge of the intent to use the data in that way.

Also, it has been said that Manafort was not acting as Trump's campaign manager at the time anyway. Which doesn't mean much, as he apparently was not being compensated when he was officially designated as such.

Mueller hit a brick wall because many of the players were allegedly using encrypted apps to communicate, this is why in my opinion Roger Stone was arrested in the way he was, where FBI agents were thinking they might obtain recent undeleted encrypted messages, like Whatsapp, for instance(the most popular message encryption app).

So, this is the world we are in. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if we don't have measures to detect corrupt actions in our goverment, we will just have to accept is as a probable and unavoidable. Encrypted messages, crypto currency... no trail no risk. No accountability.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Not public data, internal polling data. And it's not proof of anything other than "possible" collusion with the propaganda efforts of the GRU which were micro targeting battleground areas, down to the county level. Besides that, it wouldn't necessarily be illegal, if there were not knowledge of the intent to use the data in that way.

Also, it has been said that Manafort was not acting as Trump's campaign manager at the time anyway. Which doesn't mean much, as he apparently was not being compensated when he was officially designated as such.

Mueller hit a brick wall because many of the players were allegedly using encrypted apps to communicate, this is why in my opinion Roger Stone was arrested in the way he was, where FBI agents were thinking they might obtain recent undeleted encrypted messages, like Whatsapp, for instance(the most popular message encryption app).

So, this is the world we are in. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if we don't have measures to detect corrupt actions in our goverment, we will just have to accept is as a probable and unavoidable. Encrypted messages, crypto currency... no trail no risk. No accountability.
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You have entered Bowl Brother obsession territory.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Mueller hit a brick wall because many of the players were allegedly using encrypted apps to communicate, this is why in my opinion Roger Stone was arrested in the way he was, where FBI agents were thinking they might obtain recent undeleted encrypted messages, like Whatsapp, for instance(the most popular message encryption app).
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That "raid" was utter and complete BS.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I don’t agree with a lot of things you say but the judicial system isn’t red or blue, it’s green. And if a person has plenty of green then the system works for them regardless of political affiliation.
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We may not have the best government money can buy ... despite the exorbitant cost, but it's pretty certain that someone's continued livelihood definitely can depend on how much "justice" he can buy.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Sorry if I draw the line at a complete tactical team raiding a home in an alleged political influence investigation.

Nor do I think it's coincidental CNN just "happened" to show up as it was going down.
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Not much worse than little Elian Gonzalez.. But take it up with Chris Wray?
 
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