Muhammad Ali close to death in Arizona hospital. RIP 6/3/16

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zjcvols said:
Noch would know more but I'm pretty sure Ali insulted other black fighters as well in lead ups to fights.
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He did, there were other ape comments made about Foreman also.

However, what was worse was what he did to Chuck Wepner. In order to promote their fight, he wanted Wepner to call him the n word during an interview. Wepner, for obvious reasons, tells him to eff off and refuses and then Ali claims it happens backstage anyway and uses that to promote their fight.

Ironically enough, later on after the move Rocky is made loosely based on Wepner's life, Ali claims that white people needed to make a champ in the movies to combat who he was in real life.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The individual Christian does not have conviction for every Christian teaching, and I would guess the same is true of Muslims.
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People are flawed, religious affiliation be damned, but habitual actions prove hypocrisy, not fallibility.

And research his second marriage.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
For me, it's that he stood for what he believed in. Whether those are values you side with is another matter, but you cannot deny that he used his platform to try to bring about change.
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Agreed 100%

The war was wrong. We had no business being there to begin with. Just because your country calls you to fight doesn't mean it's right and we should blindly fall in line. Ali didn't run. He didn't try to escape to Canada. He stood in opposition against our government and willingly accepted the consequences for his beliefs. Frankly, more should have done this. I respect that just as much as I respect someone who fought in the war.
 
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oNochNoch said:
Just funny how his moral conviction was so flexible on some matters and so rigid on others. Seems a persons death just makes it easier for most people to focus on the rigid instead of the flexible.
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Death tends to have that effect.
 
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NochNoch said:
Just funny how his moral conviction was so flexible on some matters and so rigid on others. Seems a persons death just makes it easier for most people to focus on the rigid instead of the flexible.
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You just described every human being that's ever lived.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
True.

There's a reason he's simply known as "The Greatest" rather than Greatest boxer or Greatest athlete ever (which he is).

The man was beyond a sports icon. He was a icon for civil rights. Truly the Greatest.
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Ali was an iconic figure but I don't know about greatest boxer. He lost to Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks, Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick. Rocky Marciano was the heavyweight champ and never lost a fight.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Ali was an iconic figure but I don't know about greatest boxer. He lost to Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks, Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick. Rocky Marciano was the heavyweight champ and never lost a fight.
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True
 
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NochNoch said:
Agreed. Difference is most of don't get portrayed as saints when we pass.
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Lots of people get portrayed as "saints" when they pass that don't deserve it; the difference is usually how one feels about said person on whether they decided to start pointing out all their flaws.
 
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Something tells me Ali would have him whipped before the fight ever started
 
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Tyson might be the most overrated fighter in history. Prime Ali would have killed Tyson. Tyson is maybe top 15 all time...maybe
 
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