Multiple Players Test Positive

[BeardedVol]

Here is how these death stats are complied:


See anything wrong there?

“There are also some additional deaths that happen in someone who happened to be COVID positive, but where the COVID infection had nothing to do with the deaths,” she said. “So we are at IDPH trying to remove those obvious cases where the COVID diagnosis was not the reason for the death. If there was a gunshot wound, if there was a motor vehicle accident, we know that that was not related to the COVID positive status.

“We are trying to make sure that things that aren’t related at all to the COVID diagnosis are removed, but if someone has another illness, like heart disease, and then had a stroke or other event, it’s not as easy to separate that and say COVID didn’t exacerbate that existing illness. That would not be removed from the count,” she added.
Dr. Ngozi Ezike Refutes Notion That Illinois Is Over-Counting COVID-19 Deaths

 

[DuckinVol]

We are talking about US deaths. I’m comparing apples to apples but you are not. I am talking about the human toll on the US from COVID compared to Vietnam and Korea. You are not.

While accurate, it is also apples and oranges. Vietnam and Korea were wars in which virtually all American deaths were young men in the military. Covid has access to our entire population but is mostly killing the old and the already ill. Being closer to old than to military age, I don't say that lightly. I'm sorry, but they simply don't belong in the same conversation. If you figured the death rate for U.S. soldiers in those wars and used it for our entire 330M citizens, we'd be talking apples to apples.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

[deleted -- was mean-spirited]

 

[Tin Man]

Oh no, the sky is falling...

Relax, until the earth cracks and the oceans are swallowed up, life as we know it will not end.

 

[TNnative]

well Europe has banned Americans. Wonder why?

The customs officials got tired of some asking them to "Pull my finger."

 

[Behr]

For all you “it’s about the safety of the players” hypocrites, spare us.

30 players have died of heat exhaustion in college football practices since 2000. We’ve seen players paralyzed on the field. We’ve seen untold concussions, snapped bones popping through legs and arms, shredded ligaments, etc. You know what is far more dangerous to college football players than COVID? Wait for it....... PLAYING FOOTBALL!

So for the COVID fusspots out there, you didn’t want to shut down football after any of the 30 heat stroke practice deaths, you didn’t want to shut down after a number of players breaking their necks, you didn’t want to shut down after untold concussions, you didn’t want to shut down after Marcus Lattimore or Tryone Prothro suffered injuries so horrendous it made people sick to their stomachs, oh but now.... now you do... because of a virus that’s tantamount to a mild cold for these players.

If you weren’t leading on shutting down football when Devon Gales of Southern University, was paralyzed on the field in Athens in 2015, nobody wants to hear your politicking now.

Let’s play football, our country needs it.

The irony of this idiocy is strong.

 

[dobre_shunka]

30 died of heat exhaustion...
So If 31 football players die in within the first month...what will be your excuse then?

The odds of dying from Covid for the general population of under 24 year olds is approximately 1 in a million.

There are 460,000 total NCAA athletes in all sports.

So for 31 young men in above average health from just one NCAA sports to die from covid it would be an amazingly unlikely event.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

While accurate, it is also apples and oranges. Vietnam and Korea were wars in which virtually all American deaths were young men in the military. Covid has access to our entire population but is mostly killing the old and the already ill. Being closer to old than to military age, I don't say that lightly. I'm sorry, but they simply don't belong in the same conversation. If you figured the death rate for U.S. soldiers in those wars and used it for our entire 330M citizens, we'd be talking apples to apples.

US deaths are deaths regardless of age.

 

[DuckinVol]

US deaths are deaths regardless of age.

Sure, but risk of death for US citizens is what most are concerned with. Since the vast majority of our citizens faced no risk of death in those wars, it's just a crappy comparison. Why not roll with the Civil War since a much higher percentage of Americans were at risk.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Sure, but risk of death for US citizens is what most are concerned with. Since the vast majority of our citizens faced no risk of death in those wars, it's just a crappy comparison. Why not roll with the Civil War since a much higher percentage of Americans were at risk.

Go back to original post. Since the virus is widespread looking at percentages is flawed. We now must place the priority on total deaths and stopping the deaths as best we can. We are past the point of looking at percentages , they have become irrelevant.

 

[DuckinVol]

Go back to original post. Since the virus is widespread looking at percentages is flawed. We now must place the priority on total deaths and stopping the deaths as best we can. We are past the point of looking at percentages , they have become irrelevant.

So total deaths is the only metric which matters to you? A high percentage of Americans were at risk in the Civil War, just as they are now from Covid, and almost 620,000 died. I'm on my phone, and really don't feel like looking up population in 1861 vs today to get an accurate comparison, but a reasonable and thinking person uses numbers to compare wars, epidemics and any other disaster involving human lives.

Regardless, I'm more interested in science telling us where to go from here, and that comes down to acceptable risk based on numbers. Science tells us kids (K-college) need to get back to school because the risk to kids is VERY slim. If we consider covid too risky, science says they should never go back to school because we were accepting several higher risks and always have. This one is just new. Science says the old and sick need to quarantine as well as possible while everyone else gets back to work. This includes teachers and faculty; those science says are at risk should either take precautions or not go back to work...just like the rest of us.

 

[Offset Eye]

Another COVID death. Tragic.

Questions raised after fatal motorcycle accident listed as COVID-19 death

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

So total deaths is the only metric which matters to you? A high percentage of Americans were at risk in the Civil War, just as they are now from Covid, and almost 620,000 died. I'm on my phone, and really don't feel like looking up population in 1861 vs today to get an accurate comparison, but a reasonable and thinking person uses numbers to compare wars, epidemics and any other disaster involving human lives.

Regardless, I'm more interested in science telling us where to go from here, and that comes down to acceptable risk based on numbers. Science tells us kids (K-college) need to get back to school because the risk to kids is VERY slim. If we consider covid too risky, science says they should never go back to school because we were accepting several higher risks and always have. This one is just new. Science says the old and sick need to quarantine as well as possible while everyone else gets back to work. This includes teachers and faculty; those science says are at risk should either take precautions or not go back to work...just like the rest of us.

We are now setting daily deaths numbers even exceeding what occurred in March/April. Time to stop talking about percentages and doing whatever is necessary to slow down deaths. Unfortunately opening things back up is not going to work now with the upsurge is both cases and deaths after the Memorial Day and July4 holidays. It was a good idea back in early May but now it turns out to be the wrong course.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

We are now setting daily deaths numbers even exceeding what occurred in March/April.

Double check your source. Here are the numbers from a reliable source:



At the level of the US as a whole, we are not at a high point right now.

 

[rocknrick]

Do universities get sued when a player is killed in an accident traveling to or from sports related accidents? What about when one has a heat related death from practice? Both of which are more likely to happen than your scenario.

With the ruling out from the SEC that players can sit the season out without penalty that should kill any possible lawsuits.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Double check your source. Here are the numbers from a reliable source:

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At the level of the US as a whole, we are not at a high point right now.

Just heard it on Fox News and they cited John Hopkins as the source.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Just heard it on Fox News and they cited John Hopkins as the source.

So what were the numbers?

You see a chart or anything? Can you link it?

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

So what were the numbers?

You see a chart or anything? Can you link it?

I was listening to Fox News in the car within the last hour or so. I have not went directly to the John Hopkins site.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

well Europe has banned Americans. Wonder why?

Because our women don't have hairy armpits??

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Tennessee Reports Multiple COVID-19 Positives, Including Football Players

Here we go. It was inevitable.

The source did state that all of the symptoms at the time were of a lower concern, which has been the trend for the younger, healthier age group, as some only develop the symptoms of a common cold, while others are asymptomatic carriers.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

So what were the numbers?

You see a chart or anything? Can you link it?

Having trouble finding a table showing daily deaths but located different charts. No we are not experiencing daily deaths in the US as we were when New York cases and deaths were exploding in March/April. We do have an alarmingly upward curve in deaths. Looks like we have about 8-10 states that should shut down again to flatten the curve with most being in the SC to Texas range.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I haven't read through the entire thread, but the TSSAA is now including a COVID-19 Release form in the yearly sports physical packet.

 

[GAVol]

Having trouble finding a table showing daily deaths but located different charts. No we are not experiencing daily deaths in the US as we were when New York cases and deaths were exploding in March/April. We do have an alarmingly upward curve in deaths. Looks like we have about 8-10 states that should shut down again to flatten the curve with most being in the SC to Texas range.

The stats are just about impossible to follow.

 

[Remy]

The stats are just about impossible to follow.

You are correct IMO. The political types and spin lawyers have gotten so invested in this thing now on both sides, the truth cannot be found. Words and data are hidden and parsed to project flat falsehoods. Think not? The NBC tv affiliate in Nashviile, WSM produced a recent story where a fellow from Mt. Juliet Tennessee is being contacted by the health department due to his being Covid-19 positive. He responds he has never been ill or tested and asks to be taken off the list. Several days later, they call back, asking the same thing. It continues.

Now if you're a spin doctor you can have your way with this sort of thing on either side of the issue.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Here's some truth that has hit home. A good family friend of mine has a little 5 year old that has already survived leukemia and she just tested positive for COVID. Just got the news 30 minutes ago. Unfortunately, her dad believed the virus was overblown and largely a hoax. She has a fever and is obviously sick but manageable so far. If you can, say a prayer for her and her family. Also, don't be a snowflake and wear a mask when you're in a situation where you can't keep a good distance from others. COVID is real. Other countries have a handle on it because the majority of citizens realize it is not a political issue where you need to take a side, but it's a medical issue where you need to take common sense measures to avoid being infected or spreading it.