MVP and ROTY

Who is the NFL's Most Valuable Player?

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The Ron Mexico

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Who are your picks for MVP and Rookie of the Year? After we get a few nominees, maybe a poll will emerge.

MVP: Manning (it's not even close)
ROTY: RG3
Coach of the Year: Chuck Pagano
 
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MVP: Manning, unless Peterson breaks the rushing record next week

Offensives rookie of the year (how the NFL awards it): tough one...giving the edge to Luck over RG3 just because he just broke a record as a rookie, but it's close between those 2 and Russell Wilson

Defensive rookie of the year: unsure; need some candidates first


AP Comeback player of the year: Manning (injury for a season can also count in this one; Brady got it after missing that year with injury)


Coach: between Carroll, colt's guy, and Shanahan (sp?)...probably someone else there that also deserves mention
 
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MVP: Peterson. How can you pretend like it's not close?
ROTY: RGIII. I know Luck has put up lots of yards, but look closely at his numbers: His QB rating is a very pedestrian 75.6, good enough for only 29th in the league. RGIII has the second best qb rating at 104.1 (ironically tied with Alex Smith) and Wilson has a 98.0 QB rating. RGIII has completed over 66% of his passes, while Luck is barely hovering over the 50% mark. RGIII is also averaging about a yard and a half more per completion. Oh yeah, to complete my homerism, Alfred Morris has rushed for over 1,400 yards, 10 TDs and is averaging 4.7 yds/attempt. I don't understand how luck is in the conversation at all honestly.
 
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Coach of the year is Pagano IMO

Carrol and Shanahan are in the discussion
 
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volfanbill said:
MVP: Peterson. How can you pretend like it's not close?
ROTY: RGIII. I know Luck has put up lots of yards, but look closely at his numbers: His QB rating is a very pedestrian 75.6, good enough for only 29th in the league. RGIII has the second best qb rating at 104.1 (ironically tied with Alex Smith) and Wilson has a 98.0 QB rating. RGIII has completed over 66% of his passes, while Luck is barely hovering over the 50% mark. RGIII is also averaging about a yard and a half more per completion. Oh yeah, to complete my homerism, Alfred Morris has rushed for over 1,400 yards, 10 TDs and is averaging 4.7 yds/attempt. I don't understand how luck is in the conversation at all honestly.
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The reason I picked Manning was because how much better Denver is compared to last year. And he is almost single handedly responsible for the success that offense is having.
 
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volfanbill said:
MVP: Peterson. How can you pretend like it's not close?
ROTY: RGIII. I know Luck has put up lots of yards, but look closely at his numbers: His QB rating is a very pedestrian 75.6, good enough for only 29th in the league. RGIII has the second best qb rating at 104.1 (ironically tied with Alex Smith) and Wilson has a 98.0 QB rating. RGIII has completed over 66% of his passes, while Luck is barely hovering over the 50% mark. RGIII is also averaging about a yard and a half more per completion. Oh yeah, to complete my homerism, Alfred Morris has rushed for over 1,400 yards, 10 TDs and is averaging 4.7 yds/attempt. I don't understand how luck is in the conversation at all honestly.
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Luck is asked to do a lot more than Wilson
 
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volfanbill said:
MVP: Peterson. How can you pretend like it's not close?
ROTY: RGIII. I know Luck has put up lots of yards, but look closely at his numbers: His QB rating is a very pedestrian 75.6, good enough for only 29th in the league. RGIII has the second best qb rating at 104.1 (ironically tied with Alex Smith) and Wilson has a 98.0 QB rating. RGIII has completed over 66% of his passes, while Luck is barely hovering over the 50% mark. RGIII is also averaging about a yard and a half more per completion. Oh yeah, to complete my homerism, Alfred Morris has rushed for over 1,400 yards, 10 TDs and is averaging 4.7 yds/attempt. I don't understand how luck is in the conversation at all honestly.
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Because RG3 hasn't closed up a playoff spot yet and - sometimes unfortunately - the awards way that too heavily.

If the Skins win next week and make the post season, I'd change it to RG3...it's just the awards have been shown in the past to get iffy with this and QBs sometimes, putting a stress on playoffs that, perhaps, it should not necessarily do




Unfotunately it applies similarly with peterson, the past has shown that 2000 yards but no playoffs won't cut it...they like to give the MVP to some team that's good enough to make the post season. Unless he breaks Dickerson's record next week...or the Vikes make the playoffs, I'm not sure he gets it.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
I think Minnesota is getting better QB play this year than they did in 2011. Ponders QBR has increased by almost 50%.
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yeah, because he passes 1 every 5 plays, defenses are loading up in the box and Peterson is still going off. Manning has been getting just as much help from McGahee and Moreno as Peterson is getting from Ponder, probably more.
 
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volfanbill said:
yeah, because he passes 1 every 5 plays, defenses are loading up in the box and Peterson is still going off. Manning has been getting just as much help from McGahee and Moreno as Peterson is
getting from Ponder, probably more.
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Manning is checking into those plays. Ponder couldn't check his way out of a wet paper bag. That probably doesn't help my argument, but it's true.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
I think Minnesota is getting better QB play this year than they did in 2011. Ponders QBR has increased by almost 50%.
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In 2011 it was 70. This year it's 78.

Peterson is MVP. He is the sole reason the Vikings are where they are today. They are dead last is passing offense.

As good as Manning has played, it's still a Denver team that went to the playoffs last year with Tebow at quarterback.
 
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TheDeeble said:
In 2011 it was 70. This year it's 78.

Peterson is MVP. He is the sole reason the Vikings are where they are today. They are dead last is passing offense.

As good as Manning has played, it's still a Denver team that went to the playoffs last year with Tebow at quarterback.
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I was referring to his ESPN Total QBR. Not the traditional rating. I suppose I should have been more clear.
 
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