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hatvol96

hatvol96

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Kansas and UT take care of business and rid the tournament completely of the scourge of MVC teams. They didn't deserve the bids. Watching them get exterminated makes the Selection Committee look ridiculous, as they should this year.
 
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very true, because the big east deserved to put more teams in right??? NOT!!! MVC is very good, and they have gained my respect in this tourney.
 
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Utah State and Air Force being drummed out also shows how poorly the Committee executed their duties this year. I didn't think UT merited a #2 seed, but that mistake pales in comparison to their last 3-5 at large selections.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 17 said:
Utah State and Air Force being drummed out also shows how poorly the Committee executed their duties this year. I didn't think UT merited a #2 seed, but that mistake pales in comparison to their last 3-5 at large selections.
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says the man who thought indiana didnt deserve a bid and wouldnt win a game in the tourney.
 
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(vols2345 @ Mar 17 said:
very true, because the big east deserved to put more teams in right??? NOT!!! MVC is very good, and they have gained my respect in this tourney.
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The ninth place team in the Big East would easily win the MVC. What have they done to "gain respect?" The only win they have is their regular season champion beating the worst Big East team in the field. Northern Iowa failed to crack 50 against G'town and West Virginia is killing their tournament champion. I'm sick of the "Gonzagation" of the tournament. Everybody is clamoring for more mid-majors with cute stories. I'd much rather see the 34 best at large teams. If you can't win your mid-major league's automatic bid, that's why there is an NIT.
 
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(vols2345 @ Mar 17 said:
says the man who thought indiana didnt deserve a bid and wouldnt win a game in the tourney.
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Please provide any evidence I ever said IU didn't deserve a bid. You obviously have me confused with someone else.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 17 said:
Bucknell beat Arkansas.
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Bucknell got to the tournament by winning their conference's automatic bid. What's your point?
 
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bucknell, wisconsin-mil, montana, Northwestern State, WSU, and the zags are all mid major teams that won. And dont forget unc-wil playing tough, N. Iowa playing a really good game, SDSU almost knocking off indiana, and Pacific and Winthrop taking they're games to the last posession. Why do you hate on the mid majors?
 
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(vols2345 @ Mar 17 said:
bucknell, wisconsin-mil, montana, Northwestern State, WSU, and the zags are all mid major teams that won. And dont forget unc-wil playing tough, N. Iowa playing a really good game, SDSU almost knocking off indiana, and Pacific and Winthrop taking they're games to the last posession. Why do you hate on the mid majors?
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Of the 11 teams you mention, 9 got automatic berths. I have no problem with them. I do have a problem with a team like Air Force, who played a nonconference schedule slightly tougher than Bearden Middle School, getting an at large bid. The same thing goes for Utah State and Bradley. Three of the MVC teams were probably deserving. Don't even get me started about George Mason. I don't want a precedent set that puts these cute little stories in the tournament over actual quality teams.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 17 said:
Of the 11 teams you mention, 9 got automatic berths. I have no problem with them. I do have a problem with a team like Air Force, who played a nonconference schedule slightly tougher than Bearden Middle School, getting an at large bid. The same thing goes for Utah State and Bradley. Three of the MVC teams were probably deserving. Don't even get me started about George Mason. I don't want a precedent set that puts these cute little stories in the tournament over actual quality teams.
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the way the big east bottom teams have played, you really think that cincy should have been in over air force?? AFA only lost by 9, not like they got rocked.


I have come to the conclusion you are billy packer
 
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(vols2345 @ Mar 17 said:
the way the big east bottom teams have played, you really think that cincy should have been in over air force?? AFA only lost by 9, not like they got rocked.
I have come to the conclusion you are billy packer
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Let's see, I watched Cincinnati beat the SEC regular season champion in Las Vegas. Name me Air Force's marquee neutral floor wins this year.
 
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Our point was just that don't discount mid-majors just because they aren't in major conferences. They can play with just about as many teams as the rest. You harped all year about how great the Big East and Big 10 is and how bad the SEC is and you seem to be false. The SEC is 4-1 while the Big East is 3-3(and could easily end up 4-4 in the first round) and the Big 10 is 3-2(and could easily end up 3-3). The SEC is guaranteed to win at least 2/3 of their opening round games while the other 2 could end up only winning half.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 17 said:
Our point was just that don't discount mid-majors just because they aren't in major conferences. They can play with just about as many teams as the rest. You harped all year about how great the Big East and Big 10 is and how bad the SEC is and you seem to be false. The SEC is 4-1 while the Big East is 3-3(and could easily end up 4-4 in the first round) and the Big 10 is 3-2(and could easily end up 3-3). The SEC is guaranteed to win at least 2/3 of their opening round games while the other 2 could end up only winning half.
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Let's see who's still playing next weekend. None of the elite Big East teams have been beaten yet.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 17 said:
And how many of the elite SEC teams have been beaten?
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LSU and Florida had relatively easy draws. I would have expected them to win. No game involving an SEC team has gone contrary to my opinion. Alabama was far more talented than Marquette. We'll see who's stil alive next Saturday and Sunday.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 17 said:
LSU and Florida had relatively easy draws. I would have expected them to win. No game involving an SEC team has gone contrary to my opinion. Alabama was far more talented than Marquette.
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wow you just stated an sec team was far mor talented than a big east team. we are getting somewhere.
 
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(vols2345 @ Mar 17 said:
wow you just stated an sec team was far mor talented than a big east team. we are getting somewhere.
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Talentwise, Marquette was about 10th in the Big East. They caught UCONN on a horrible night in Milwaukee, then rode the fact that they had fewer games against the upper echelon teams under the Big East's unbalanced schedule to a gaudy record.
 
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all i know is, syracuse show just how overated they were last night, seton hall showed how bad the bottom of the barrell in the big east is, and marquette showed that the middle of the big east wasnt all that great either. when you have 16+ teams in your conference, you are bound to win 20 games. but of course, nova, W. Virginia, and G'town showed that they do have good teams. I just dont think the big east is or was as good as thought, but still the top is very strong.
 
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(vols2345 @ Mar 17 said:
all i know is, syracuse show just how overated they were last night, seton hall showed how bad the bottom of the barrell in the big east is, and marquette showed that the middle of the big east wasnt all that great either. when you have 16+ teams in your conference, you are bound to win 20 games. but of course, nova, W. Virginia, and G'town showed that they do have good teams. I just dont think the big east is or was as good as thought, but still the top is very strong.
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Syracuse finished 9th in the Big East. Texas A&M finished fourth in the Big 12. Wichita State won the sainted MVC. Alabama beat both regular season division champs and the tournament champ in the SEC. Not sure which of those three games the Big East should have won. Syracuse/A&M was a pick 'em in Vegas, Marquette was all of a 1 1/2 point favorite, and Wichita State was a favorite.
 
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(vols2345 @ Mar 17 said:
all i know is, syracuse show just how overated they were last night, seton hall showed how bad the bottom of the barrell in the big east is, and marquette showed that the middle of the big east wasnt all that great either. when you have 16+ teams in your conference, you are bound to win 20 games. but of course, nova, W. Virginia, and G'town showed that they do have good teams. I just dont think the big east is or was as good as thought, but still the top is very strong.
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Who overrated Syracuse? THE SELECTION COMMITTEE. The same idiots who claim Air Farce, Utah State, and George Mason are tournament teams.
 
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Well, considering the Big 12 is absolutely horrible, losing to the 4 team from that conference is pretty bad. Wichita State is a midmajor from a conference that you think is absolutely horrible. Hmmm......sounds like you are starting to contradict yourself now.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 17 said:
Well, considering the Big 12 is absolutely horrible, losing to the 4 team from that conference is pretty bad. Wichita State is a midmajor from a conference that you think is absolutely horrible. Hmmm......sounds like you are starting to contradict yourself now.
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Not at all. I never said the MVC was horrible. I said there's no way to justify them getting four bids. Who's the ninth place team in the SEC? Do you think they can beat Syracuse? Of course not.
 
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It depends on who is on. The 9th team would be Miss St/UGA.

Either way, if a team runs the table in their conference and loses in the championship to a midconference team, do they not deserve to get in? You have to play consistently well to win the regular season championship, you only have to get hot to win the conf tourney. That is why I don't like your reasoning. The auto bid isn't always the best team in the conference.
 
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