My Thoughts on Coach Jones and His Offense (Note - Long)

[General Jack]

And thank God no snot nose punk has said "too long, did not read..."

Man that pisses me off.

 

[vader]

Well done, bam.

The OP was one of the most well written thoughtful post I have ever seen.

 

[Spring Hil Vol]

That was great, thanks ! Are you interested in an OC job? Lets get behind CBJ and upset a few teams next year. GBO !!!!

 

[JAEvans24]

Grat stuff

 

[volswillrise12]

Great post man, a football junkies dream...you've got to like the variety in the offense...now let's build the staff finish off the recruiting class and get to work!

 

[Catbone]

Fantastic, thanks! :hi:

 

[offroadbum]

i liked the post, alot of work so thanks for that. i like that he`s coached on both side of the ball. i like his style of offense. my problem is with the teams that he`s played. he`s has a very bad record against ranked and sec teams. is`nt that why the last coach had to go. the other thing is that in sec play a good offense is great but defenses win games.

 

[Melvie89]

Opposing teams "could" figure out what the placards mean, but it would take a ridiculous amount of time to watch each game on film and connect the dots as to what each imagine relates to on a week to week basis. You would have to put your money on them never changing the icon set. It would be too easy to just substitute occasionally to throw people off. It's better right off the bat because no audio is required and it's very easy to see.

I would agree but when you throw in the 4 signal callers in there too, it would take weeks upon weeks to figure it out. Each signal caller could either be assigned to a specific player or even certain downs that the players have to pay attention to and is assigned during the week during game planning according to their opponent.

Personally, the offense in HS that we used was a no huddle. Receivers looked for the first signal and running backs paid attention to the third signal while the QB looked at all of them and called a set of 3 numbers to the line pertaining to the blocking scheme (the line would pay attention to only one of the numbers, whether it be the first, second, or third depending on the week). If we gathered that the defense was catching on, we simply switched the signaler and order of signals and play numbers for the game. This system gives the offense a bit of flexibility in play calling using boards and signalers while using a no huddle system offense. Very simple for the players and very difficult for the defense to pick up.

 

[Melvie89]

i liked the post, alot of work so thanks for that. i like that he`s coached on both side of the ball. i like his style of offense. my problem is with the teams that he`s played. he`s has a very bad record against ranked and sec teams. is`nt that why the last coach had to go. the other thing is that in sec play a good offense is great but defenses win games.

Well, you have to look at the talent pool that Big East is able to obtain compared to the ranked, power conferences such as B1G and SEC. Its hard to beat those teams when the talent level is higher, but you will notice that Jones' team were usually competitive against ranked teams but there is only so much you can do. Dooley was fired due to his inability to use his talent pool and compete in the SEC when teams like Vandy and Mississippi State are using lesser recruiting classes but beating the same teams. Recruiting and using your recruits is the main battle in college football and Dooley did....well, not so greatly haha.

 

[TennTom]

Outstanding post. Thanks for sharing your passion and knowledge with us. Wish more would do this. Sounds like Freak is going to make sure we read more of your stuff.

 

[Sudden Impact]

great post thanks for the info

 

[offroadbum]

melvie89 i understand all of that. i`ve looked into most of the teams he has played over the past few days and the teams he`s coached. what i`m saying is we are getting the same as we just had, losing to near last raked sec team of ky the year he played them he lost 35 26, and that was one of his better teams. as far as his recruiting skills he has followed brain kelly on both his coaching jobs and for the most part of his starters were the players that kelly got not his own recruits. so i guess we can agreee to dis agree about his ability for the job.

 

[CountVolcula]

Well done, bam.

The OP was one of the most well written thoughtful post I have ever seen.

Deserves Guru status IMHO

More so than others

 

[Tenn Ted]

Excellent post Bam!!! I'm going to have to read through a couple of time to fully understand it all, but excellent, none the less!!!

 

[Volingatorland]

Your write up tells me two things. Jones will likely coach us to a strong program, first and foremost. Secondly, you have a ridiculous grasp of the game of football.

I would really love to see an analysis by you of our defense. I know Jones said we would return to a 4 man front, but I don't think anyone will dispute that defense has been our big issue recently. I know our defense will be largely based on who our DC is, but I'd really love your insight.

 

[zero-sum]

Part One:

First, some thoughts on our new hire:

Butch Jones is simply a good hire. His product speaks for itself.dback if you guys want to read more.

tl;dr version - Butch Jones is a good hire and his offense is ahead of the curve.

Nice work, Bam. When can we expect your "D" version?

 

[zjcvols]

****ing fantastic work.

Great stuff.

 

[Wezcoast]

I would agree but when you throw in the 4 signal callers in there too, it would take weeks upon weeks to figure it out. Each signal caller could either be assigned to a specific player or even certain downs that the players have to pay attention to and is assigned during the week during game planning according to their opponent.

Personally, the offense in HS that we used was a no huddle. Receivers looked for the first signal and running backs paid attention to the third signal while the QB looked at all of them and called a set of 3 numbers to the line pertaining to the blocking scheme (the line would pay attention to only one of the numbers, whether it be the first, second, or third depending on the week). If we gathered that the defense was catching on, we simply switched the signaler and order of signals and play numbers for the game. This system gives the offense a bit of flexibility in play calling using boards and signalers while using a no huddle system offense. Very simple for the players and very difficult for the defense to pick up.

Exactly. It's like a text password on your computer. You see it as your dog's name or whatever and the computer sees it as some obscenely long string of numbers assigned to each letter.

 

[VFL 24/7]

This is a dedicated post! Good job OP!

 

[bam15]

Nice read for sure... I got a few questions though.

1. What happens if Bajakian doesn't come to Tennessee? With Jones/Bajakian being as HC/OC for 6 years, you can't ignore the fact that maybe, just maybe, that the offense philosophy is more on Bajakian. Jones doesn't call plays either.

2. Why is the "big board"/non-huddle better than the traditional ways of signal calling/huddling? Can't the defense figure out what plays they are calling? Also, that means that every player has to remember there roles. I could imagine that some players forget or get confused. With a huddle, the QB can reassure his players.

I think we know the answer to the first question, I think it is a combination of both. Boards, checking at the line, an offense revolving around concision. This is all the rage for a these one-back teams that are often typified as "Spread." I can remember years ago at one-back clinics were coaches were coming up with stuff like this. Kevin Sumlin, Noel Mazzone, Leach, etcetera. They were all labeled as outcasts by the old-guard of coaches. You know, the ones that refuse to budge from two-back, 21 personnel. The same coaches that find themselves out of jobs or forced to adapt.

Offenses are directing their entire game plan around going fast as of late. We aren't talking about Chad Johnson fast. We're talking about Ricky Bobby fast.

No huddle does a few things:

1. Takes a visiting crowd noise out of the game with tempo. Crowds are taught to get loud at the LOS and snap-count. It is a slow anticipation from the breaking of the huddle.
2. Controls personnel and substitutions of the other team. You're forcing them to play what you want.
3. It eliminates defensive celebration. When the other team gets a big play, no-huddle teams are lined up and ready to snap.
4. Plays faster than a defense can react to. If the opponent is off-balance, much of the game planning and scheme is null.
5. Allows for coaches to read defenses and audible from the sidelines. If the coaching staff sees the corners off and a 1-High look, chances are you're going to get some form a Cover 3 shell. Whether that is a buzz, invert/sky, or any other tag, the coaches can eliminate a lot of things for the quarterback. The main reason this is most valuable? The headset is cut off after a certain time limit. The offense is only going to see signals.

I think images relay plays better to the players than verbose, descriptive play calls relayed from the booth. Rather than Double Wing Rt 2 Jet Under '40' Alert, the player may see Tom Brady which represents the Patriots. The P is associated with the concept, "Power," and thus allows for a quick recognition. Bubble screen may be the Boston College logo. And the passes may identify with college teams and runs being NFL teams. The reason this is confusing for the defense to decipher is the idea of the board being "Hot." The first signaler a. will relay to the team that the board is the play being ran, or b. disregard the board because the other signaler is calling the play. In truth, you could possibly have 3 different objects sending out a play call. 1. The board 2. Signaler no 2. and 3. Signaler 3. The first signaler gives the play side and tells which is live, while the other two could be giving dummy or live calls. Most of the concepts are easily defined and associated with words, mascots, or people. This is in contrast to numbers and descriptive words that give every detail of the play in the huddle.

Awesome post. Thank you so much for taking such time to educate 99% of us who want to judge CBJ on name recognition. If all Vol fans would take judt a bit of time to read this, it would bring ALOT more respect. Thanks BAM. Awesome effort. You are a TRUE Vol fan. Ive been onboard with CBJ by the way.

Thanks, I love this university and program.

This looks like a write up over at smartfootball ...... Good analysis. A great running back that can cut back under over pursuing lb's after constant probing of the flank will do us wonders.

How did you know? I love Chris Brown. Excellent, excellent writer.

Great insight. Thanks for posting.

Question: how does Bray fit into offense, and if it is geared more towards a dual threat QB(peterman) can it be tweaked short term to fit a pocket passer (Bray)

Edit- only took me 5 years to get 500 post, but I've got about 10,000 reads

I think Bray would find a way. Much of what Chaney did originated with ideas formulated by Joe Tiller and Scott Linehan. Coincidentally, Tiller and Linehan were both one-back guys. Linehan being a Petrino/Erickson guy and Tiller sort of coming to his own branch. The vertical stemmed passing game isn't too far off from what Chaney had originally planned. I also saw a noticeable divide in yards per attempt and overall passing yards per completion between 2011 and 2012. Simply put, he had different types of quarterbacks who can throw certain routes. Coach Jones can adjust.

Congratulations.

 

[bam15]

Very Informative Bam and one of the most thorough yet concise reads I've seen here in a long time. FREAK make this a sticky post for all the other fans to read so they will understand what this hire/offense is about.

Thanks!

Great post. This offense reminds me alot of Oregon. With the no huddle, you essentially tie the defense's hands, a bit. Limit their ability to substitute. Giving you a chance to get the looks or match-ups you want. Plus, as with Oregon, it has a tendacy to cause fatigue. Fatigue causes mental mistakes, and poor tackling. Then you get the big plays.

My only concern is this......wouldn't the no-huddle approach only amplify our defensive struggles, by lengthening the time they spend on the field?

Of course, "no-huddle" doesn't necessarily mean "Hurry Up". I'm sure a good coach, has a feel for the game. If his defense just got off the field, after a long 14 play, 8 minute drive, he might change the offensive pace. But Dooley did not. Many times, the defense would make a stop or force a fg. following a long drive. Then the offense would go no-huddle, throw three incomplete passes, and give it right back to them. That is just poor management.

Absolutely. All of what you said is true. Oregon runs two different teams in practice running plays back-to-back. They want as many snaps as possible. They want to demoralize and destroy both the mental and physical condition of the opposing team.

The thing about no-huddle is this -- and you said this in the last paragraph: It doesn't always have to be fast. The New England Patriots and Indianapolis Colts of the previous decade are big proponents of not huddling. Brady or Manning may have got to the line while keeping the same personnel and forcing the defense to give them the looks they wanted to see. Once at the line, they could check to certain plays or in this case, look to the sideline. At times, yeah, it is fast. It doesn't always have to be this way though.

Outstanding post and information OP.

Now is the time for all real Tennessee fans to unite and support our new Head Coach and footVol team.

It does NOT matter if you like this hire or not because the FACT simply is that CBJ is our new footVol coach and will be for several years.

All the negative, immatire, childish garbage needs to go elsewhere because it really DOES hurt our recruiting and right now our Vols simply NEEDS as many good recruits as CBJ can get to come to Tennessee and help rebuild our proud team.

If anyone thinks that recruits and their parents don't come here to VN to read up on our program and help make their decision on where they want to go play then they're delusional because in this computer age all recruits and their parents look for everything they can find to learn more about any program that's offered their kid an opportunity to play football and get a free education.

UNITE Vols fans and lets do all we can to help CBJ rebuild UT back to a consistent top 10 ranking, SEC Championship and another chance at a National Championship in the years to come!!!

VFL...GBO!!!

Good post. I agree.

CBJ noted in his pressed that he adapts his scheme to the strengths of his players. He noted that with the example of the QB position and running vs. drop back. He adapts scheme to talent.

Coach Jones has done a very good job of this. This is a signature quality of championship coaches.

You can also change the board for each game to prevent the defense from knowing the play. One could also simply change one square on the board to revise the entire meaning of the board. Lots of ways to get around the defense reading the board.

Correct. There are many ways to go about the board system.

 

[bam15]

That was great, thanks ! Are you interested in an OC job? Lets get behind CBJ and upset a few teams next year. GBO !!!!

Maybe.

Outstanding post. Thanks for sharing your passion and knowledge with us. Wish more would do this. Sounds like Freak is going to make sure we read more of your stuff.

Thanks.

Deserves Guru status IMHO

More so than others

Hhmm,

That is for others to decide. Thanks for the kind words though.

Your write up tells me two things. Jones will likely coach us to a strong program, first and foremost. Secondly, you have a ridiculous grasp of the game of football.

I would really love to see an analysis by you of our defense. I know Jones said we would return to a 4 man front, but I don't think anyone will dispute that defense has been our big issue recently. I know our defense will be largely based on who our DC is, but I'd really love your insight.

Agreed. I think Coach Jones is on the right path.

Will work on it.

Nice work, Bam. When can we expect your "D" version?

Some day. I'm a little biased toward one side of the ball. lol:

 

[jcvol70]

Great work!!! Really fired up!! Will have to make the trip down for the spring game to get a peek!

 

[CWEBB82]

Great insight, Bam! Thanks for compiling the #'s and schemes for us!

GBO

 

[Thunndarr]

Great write up OP, really appreciate it!