My thoughts on each player, what are yours?

#26
#26
i2amavol said:
Just one question: I realize that we have two new 5 star players, but is Corey Walker the most undiscussed 4 star player in the history of our program? I mean #68 ranked in the nation, and I hear almost no talk about him. I can understand that some players need a little development, but what gives?!
Click to expand...

Because he’s buried in the rotation. He’s probably a 3 and he might be the 6th option there behind Keon, Jaden, JJJ, Pons, and Ticket. He’ll be a huge presence in a year or two as 4 of those 5 could all be gone after next season and the current commitments are a 1 and a 2.
 
  • Like
Reactions: i2amavol
#27
#27
Saying JJJ is a poor man’s Scottie Pippen and saying he should run the offense a bunch is one of the worst player evaluations I’ve seen on this board. You’re severely overrating him.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Stoerner Fumbles
#29
#29
Fulkerson: Doing what he needs to do, he’s still doing well defensively and some of those shots will go down. He’s doing exactly what needs to be done.

Pons: Defensively he’s an absolute beast. I wish we used him more to space instead of asking him to play in the post but Barnes is adamant about his 3 in-2 out motion offensive.

Springer: Should be the starting 2 guard and get 25-30 minutes a game. He gets in the lane better than everyone, he has explosiveness and his shot looks pretty good.

Johnson: Should play 30 minutes a game. I think he’s more raw offensively than people think, but his defense and athleticism is awesome. And he moves the ball and keeps the offense flowing.

Vescovi: His lack of athleticism will also prevent him from being an All-SEC player, but he’s still a solid starting guard. The defense has improved, but he’s not as good of a pick and roll/pop player as I was hoping. He’s a great shooter and needs to shoot more from 3.

Bailey: A perfectly competent third guard that gives you very good defense and some shooting. You saw his minutes decrease from game 1 to game 2 and that will continue as Springer/Johnson get more comfortable.

JJJ: Continues to not be much on offense. But he rebounds well and plays really hard on defense. He just lacks instincts on offense. He missed two easy layups today where just a slight body adjustment or using his other hand would have been easier. He shouldn’t start over Keon and Springer.

Anosike: He’s not good offensively. I like his rebounding and I like his defense but he has no touch on offense and doesn’t have a natural touch on his shot.

ON: He’s a good athlete but man he has no court awareness or natural skills. I’m not sure he will ever amount to much. But I like him more than Uros or Pember so...I guess he’s your best option.
 
#33
#33
zjcvols said:
I mean let’s just go crazy and call him Baby Jordan or Baby LeBron lol
Click to expand...

I’ve thought about Baby LeBron but JJJ needs a much more self-centered attitude.

Probably more Baby Worthy than Baby Jordan.

But I’d go Baby Magic since he does many things well and isn’t primarily a scorer. “Baby” though as he’ll never fill in at the 5.
 
#35
#35
ColinS said:
ON could be all league someday if he picks the right church league.
Click to expand...
Just remember lots of folks thought Fulky should transfer out at the beginning of last year. I still believe most of ON’s and Plavic’s struggles are more mental then lack of talent. Maybe be not all SEC but I think they can contribute.
 
#36
#36
zjcvols said:
Fulkerson: Doing what he needs to do, he’s still doing well defensively and some of those shots will go down. He’s doing exactly what needs to be done.

Pons: Defensively he’s an absolute beast. I wish we used him more to space instead of asking him to play in the post but Barnes is adamant about his 3 in-2 out motion offensive.

Springer: Should be the starting 2 guard and get 25-30 minutes a game. He gets in the lane better than everyone, he has explosiveness and his shot looks pretty good.

Johnson: Should play 30 minutes a game. I think he’s more raw offensively than people think, but his defense and athleticism is awesome. And he moves the ball and keeps the offense flowing.

Vescovi: His lack of athleticism will also prevent him from being an All-SEC player, but he’s still a solid starting guard. The defense has improved, but he’s not as good of a pick and roll/pop player as I was hoping. He’s a great shooter and needs to shoot more from 3.

Bailey: A perfectly competent third guard that gives you very good defense and some shooting. You saw his minutes decrease from game 1 to game 2 and that will continue as Springer/Johnson get more comfortable.

JJJ: Continues to not be much on offense. But he rebounds well and plays really hard on defense. He just lacks instincts on offense. He missed two easy layups today where just a slight body adjustment or using his other hand would have been easier. He shouldn’t start over Keon and Springer.

Anosike: He’s not good offensively. I like his rebounding and I like his defense but he has no touch on offense and doesn’t have a natural touch on his shot.

ON: He’s a good athlete but man he has no court awareness or natural skills. I’m not sure he will ever amount to much. But I like him more than Uros or Pember so...I guess he’s your best option.
Click to expand...
I think Pember would be the best of the three if he develops a post mentality. He moved pretty well for a big guy and seems to at least have more than an ounce of basketball IQ unlike the other two.
 
#37
#37
LeannaVol said:
Just remember lots of folks thought Fulky should transfer out at the beginning of last year. I still believe most of ON’s and Plavic’s struggles are more mental then lack of talent. Maybe be not all SEC but I think they can contribute.
Click to expand...
I certainly hope that is the case, but even in Nkamhoua's high school tape, I saw nothing to give me hope. I was very adamant that I didn't want us to sign him. Thought we were better served holding the scholarship, and still believe that, to this point. Fulk at least flashed early on and gave you glimpses of what he could be, then had the unfortunate injury. It was fair to wonder after two years if he would ever make good on that early promise he showed. Plavsic is big, moves pretty well, and is mildly coordinated for a guy his size, but he's also a 22 year old rSO. I'd love to see more of the guy who whipped Mississippi State, last year, to the tune of 16 pts, 3 rebs, 2 assts. That is what I go back to holding out hope for him.
 
#40
#40
PulaskiVolFan said:
You're king of the negative nancies, your opinion means very little to me. Enjoy doing what you like to do.
Click to expand...
You’re the king of arbitrary comparisons. Scottie Pippen is one of the most distinct and specific set of attributes in NBA history. Trying to compare a kid who is learning how to use his skills on a college team to the greatest complimentary basketball player in history isn’t just a stretch— It’s ridiculous. It’s as absurd as your comparison of Harrison Bailey to Ben Rothlisberger. These kids are more like baby giraffes than hall of fame players. Give it a rest. Building a treehouse doesn’t make your kid Frank Lloyd Wright.
 
#41
#41
Stoerner Fumbles said:
You’re the king of arbitrary comparisons. Scottie Pippen is one of the most distinct and specific set of attributes in NBA history. Trying to compare a kid who is learning how to use his skills on a college team to the greatest complimentary basketball player in history isn’t just a stretch— It’s ridiculous. It’s as absurd as your comparison of Harrison Bailey to Ben Rothlisberger. These kids are more like baby giraffes than hall of fame players. Give it a rest. Building a treehouse doesn’t make your kid Frank Lloyd Wright.
Click to expand...
You thinking someone comparing styles is the same as a player being as good as the one compared to is simple minded thinking. JJJ is a stat stuffer in the same way that Pip stuffed stats for years. Bailey plays the same way Ben did at that age, very similar in style, size and arm strength. I always laugh at folks that can't have 2 separate thoughts at one time. If you can't understand the difference I've got no interest in dealing with you either.
 
#42
#42
Stoerner Fumbles said:
You’re the king of arbitrary comparisons. Scottie Pippen is one of the most distinct and specific set of attributes in NBA history. Trying to compare a kid who is learning how to use his skills on a college team to the greatest complimentary basketball player in history isn’t just a stretch— It’s ridiculous. It’s as absurd as your comparison of Harrison Bailey to Ben Rothlisberger. These kids are more like baby giraffes than hall of fame players. Give it a rest. Building a treehouse doesn’t make your kid Frank Lloyd Wright.
Click to expand...
Lol this stupid argument again. You are hard headed because I don't believe for a second that you are dumb enough to think anyone was comparing the greatness of UT players to HOF professionals. Big difference between comparing that and saying the skill sets are similar.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Vol49er and cncchris33
#43
#43
PulaskiVolFan said:
You thinking someone comparing styles is the same as a player being as good as the one compared to is simple minded thinking. JJJ is a stat stuffer in the same way that Pip stuffed stats for years. Bailey plays the same way Ben did at that age, very similar in style, size and arm strength. I always laugh at folks that can't have 2 separate thoughts at one time. If you can't understand the difference I've got no interest in dealing with you either.[/QUOTE

Your observations don’t present inaccessible complexity, they’re just wildly inaccurate, and arbitrary.
Click to expand...
 
#44
#44
Chris4Vols22 said:
Lol this stupid argument again. You are hard headed because I don't believe for a second that you are dumb enough to think anyone was comparing the greatness of UT players to HOF professionals. Big difference between comparing that and saying the skill sets are similar.
Click to expand...

There isn’t a body of work to compare. There is nothing about JJJ that suggests the skills or talent of Pippen. You might as well say he’s like Batman.
 
#45
#45
The Dog said:
Springer may be the one and done guy, while Keon works on his offensive game. That's a good thing, imo. I thought Springer was more developed on the offensive side of the ball and so far, I'm right. I think Springer will be the alpha dog on this team with Fulk being the co-alpha. If that happens, great things for this team, imo. Plus, we get Keon and JJJ for another year and then we have our true PG, running the show, the Chef, Kennedy Chandler
Click to expand...
I dont see a one and done on our team. Real good players who may make it to the pros but need to stay with CB as long as they can. Cant do nothing but help them. JMHO!
 
  • Like
Reactions: walkenvol
#46
#46
PulaskiVolFan said:
You're king of the negative nancies, your opinion means very little to me. Enjoy doing what you like to do.
Click to expand...

Yet it’s 100% true. JJJ is a fine collegiate player and can continue to get better but you’re seeing stuff in him that isn’t there. Pippen had a much more diverse skill set.

And when you put Hall of Fame comparisons on players, whether it’s your intentions or not, you invite yourself to that criticism especially when you don’t put the caveat “he will never be this good obviously.” For example, I see JJJ as a better shooting JP Prince. That’s a more complete answer than saying he’s “Baby Pippen”.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: cncchris33 and PEPPERJAX
#48
#48
Chris4Vols22 said:
Lol this stupid argument again. You are hard headed because I don't believe for a second that you are dumb enough to think anyone was comparing the greatness of UT players to HOF professionals. Big difference between comparing that and saying the skill sets are similar.
Click to expand...

Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest 30 NBA players ever while JJJ is a sophomore with a career line of 7/5.5/3...it’s a pretty silly comparison even if you’re trying to compare skillset lol
 
#49
#49
zjcvols said:
Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest 30 NBA players ever while JJJ is a sophomore with a career line of 7/5.5/3...it’s a pretty silly comparison even if you’re trying to compare skillset lol
Click to expand...
It's completely within reason to compare their styles. If OP was truly implying they're on the same level, then obviously that's wrong, but we know that's not what's being claimed. Is it unfair to say that JJJ fills a similar role as Pippen did? No, it's not. Anyone forcing a direct comparison is either dumb or disingenuous or both.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Lefteye, JelloPuddinPup and PulaskiVolFan
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top