N.C.A.A. Votes to Give Greater Autonomy to Richest Conferences

[vol66]

I'm not saying they shouldn't.

fair enough.

 

[vol66]

What happens 99% of the time that a Big 5 team plays a Little 5 team? The fact that you and I can recall the exceptions simply proves the rule.

Why does there have to be a rule? Wasn't it just a year ago that Battle was saying nobody will play us?

As I said earlier, I'm just a fan on a message board, I can't change anything, it's not even that interesting to share opinions because the suits think they speak for the fans and the fans won't read up on the subject.

If the players ever wised up and said Coach Saban is right, "we should be able to discuss our futures with an agent"...If the players ever wised up and said, "you know Coach Spurrier is onto something when he says the SEC Network means more money...but not for you..."

As so many around here like to say...Coach (fill in the blank) Get's It!

 

[bamawriter]

Why does there have to be a rule? Wasn't it just a year ago that Battle was saying nobody will play us?

As I said earlier, I'm just a fan on a message board, I can't change anything, it's not even that interesting to share opinions because the suits think they speak for the fans and the fans won't read up on the subject.

If the players ever wised up and said Coach Saban is right, "we should be able to discuss our futures with an agent"...If the players ever wised up and said, "you know Coach Spurrier is onto something when he says the SEC Network means more money...but not for you..."

As so many around here like to say...Coach (fill in the blank) Get's It!

There are some serious questions that need to be answered, hopefully by people much smarter than me.

But, as revenues continue to balloon, the inequity between the schools and the athletes cannot continue to grow.

 

[HARTUPM]

For most of the last century, Alabama has been playing by their own set of rules anyway, so I'm surprised to see one bat an eye. ilot:

News flash! bammer cheat$!!

 

[vol66]

There are some serious questions that need to be answered, hopefully by people much smarter than me.

But, as revenues continue to balloon, the inequity between the schools and the athletes cannot continue to grow.

Which is all the schools, so far, are willing to admit. These 65 are admitting the athletes deserve more. That they can do better. It's "up in the air" whether they really believe it. Whether their collective intentions are good.

Like anyone who loves college sports, I'm hoping they are sincere.

Appreciate the debate.

 

[bamawriter]

Which is all the schools, so far, are willing to admit. These 65 are admitting the athletes deserve more. That they can do better. It's "up in the air" whether they really believe it. Whether their collective intentions are good.

Like anyone who loves college sports, I'm hoping they are sincere.

Appreciate the debate.

Same to you.

 

[BearBryant]

College football is slowly but surely self destructing. It's "nascar-ing" itself a little more each year. The professionalization of college football is going to suck the life out of it over time. It won't even resemble the sport we all grew to love.

You could not have said it better. College Football is self destructing right in front of us.

When this becomes NFL jr. the transformation is complete. Once players start getting paid, do you think they will have to actually go to class?

The NFL is loaded with FELONS!!! This will now come down to College Football. Because once you turn this into pay for view, profits, etc. you want recruit you will draft and sign contracts. And then money becomes the only issue!!!

Do you really want the SEC to be like the NFL? Well not that it matters because I know I'm in the minority but I don't!! College Football is about the University, the state, the community, Tennessee is the reason people love college football. Not an individual player, not a superstar, not who ESPN tells us to love, but THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE is the reason we love college football.

Teams like MTSU, Boise St., Troy, have tremendous opportunities when they play the big boys. It helps them survive. This will go by the wayside.

The greedy will destroy themselves. With SABAN leading the charge with his 6.5 million dollar contract.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this also opens them up to be able to vote on things like stipends for student athletes on their own, does it not?

If so, it seems like that's going to split this wide open between the power 5 and the smaller schools as far as getting student athletes go. Same with basketball. The gap's going to get too big for any of the smaller schools to reasonably compete, if so.

The smaller schools can then vote to match the bigger schools. What it means is that the schools with ability are not dictated by those who want to hold them back.

 

[ile3000gt]

Alabama does not play the same game as Lousiana-Monroe... except when they do (and every program does at some point). Inevitably smaller schools are going to have less shots at the big boys in the future, but I think they should still have some opportunity to play the best.

This is crazy talk, but if the split occurs I'd like to see an EPL like promotion and relegation system that rewards the 5 top "non-Power 5" teams each year by upgrading them to temporary "Independent Power 5" status for the following season. The reverse would be true for the five worst "Power 5" teams who would be dropped down for a season. I think this would allow for at least some of the intrigue we've gotten in the past from the very best of the small schools playing the big boys. Also, this would be extra motivation for traditionally weak Power 5 programs like Indiana, Kentucky, and Kansas to not rest on their laurels based on their yearly automatic inclusion on CFB's main stage.

This would never happen unless the SEC dis-barred. The perennial bottom dwellers (this may not be the current case but these things always come around) of Vandy, UK, ole miss, and miss state would never allow this to happen. The only way they wouldn't play in the SEC is if they decided to leave as they were all charter members of the SEC back in 1932.

While I do agree the non-power 5 will have less opportunity and be hurt in recruiting, you can't make everyone happy. Whether you like it or not the game is moving towards paying players. The smaller schools wouldn't compete anyway. And remember, this already occurs. We have NCAA Div III, Div II, Div Ia, and Div Iaa. All this does is create another sub group

 

[orangeluvr]

Money corrupts anything it touches. :hmm: :yes:

 

[Tennman]

as long as tennessee wins and alabama loses it's all good.

This !! :rock:

 

[vol66]

As the NCAA just lost the O'Bannon case...looks like the Power 5 are going to have to go back to the drawing board to a certain degree.

 

[bamawriter]

As the NCAA just lost the O'Bannon case...looks like the Power 5 are going to have to go back to the drawing board to a certain degree.

They should have gone back to that particular drawing board about 20 years ago.

 

[vol66]

They should have gone back to that particular drawing board about 20 years ago.

You'll get no argument from me. I know it will sound kind of geeky to say, but this is one of those, "do you remember where you were when the Beatles played Ed Sullivan" moments for me.

This isn't the whole ball of wax but it is a rather large domino....unless you are Dennis Dodd.

 

[Ohio Vol]

The smaller schools can then vote to match the bigger schools. What it means is that the schools with ability are not dictated by those who want to hold them back.

This sounds exactly like what fans of the Yankees and Red Sox say when it comes to baseball payrolls. The hell with the smaller market teams, don't you know that the big boys need to keep getting bigger even if it reduces everyone else to a fiefdom?

 

[TheDeeble]

As the NCAA just lost the O'Bannon case...looks like the Power 5 are going to have to go back to the drawing board to a certain degree.

I imagine they were anticipating the NCAA loss and have planned accordingly.

 

[vol66]

I imagine they were anticipating the NCAA loss and have planned accordingly.

I disagree.

If they appeal, that alone will mean they had no plan.

There is a lawyer out there in the world right now asking this question. The judge ruled that the NCAA violated anti trust laws, while placing a cap on what the players can be paid for their NLI...hmmm?

She's giving them an out, they better take it.

 

[TheDeeble]

I disagree.

If they appeal, that alone will mean they had no plan.

The Power 5 appeal this judges ruling? Or the NCAA? I'm suggesting the Power 5 anticipated this ruling.

I don't see why the Power 5 would appeal. They want more freedom in what benefits they can give to players. I'd think this case would speed up that process.

 

[vol66]

The Power 5 appeal this judges ruling? Or the NCAA?

I don't see why the Power 5 would appeal. They want more freedom in what benefits they can give to players. I'd think this case would speed up that process.

The Power 5 and the NCAA are the same.

 

[TheDeeble]

The Power 5 and the NCAA are the same.

Not the same like they were before. The Power 5 may be members of the NCAA, but they've been given the freedom to write some of their own rules. And I imagine they anticipated this ruling beforehand.

I don't see the Power 5 being that upset with this ruling as it sounds like many wanted to provide benefits the NCAA previously banned. This ruling is almost paving the way for the Power 5 to be able to pay their players.

 

[vol66]

Not the same like they were before. The Power 5 may be members of the NCAA, but they've been given the freedom to write some of their own rules. And I imagine they anticipated this ruling beforehand.

I don't see the Power 5 being that upset with this ruling as it sounds like many wanted to provide benefits the NCAA previously banned. This ruling is almost paving the way for the Power 5 to be able to pay their players.

It isn't almost doing it...it is doing it. Not only does the ruling say schools must cover the cost of attendance but it also says the athletes must be paid, in a limited way, for their NLI.

That last part is more significant than the first part. ESPN cannot put on television a game without recognizing the players have a right to a cut of the pie. Not just now, but into the future AND the players can sell their NLI's to EA Sports for instance, as a group if they wish.

The truth is this, there is not a player currently on the roster at UT, or any other NCAA school for that matter that fully understands the ramifications of this...but they will.

This is just one lawsuit...there are more in the pipeline which people smarter than I believe will be more significant. It may not be over, as Dennis Dodd implies, but the changes the NCAA, which might as well be the University of Tennessee and every other college in the SEC and the other big conference schools, espoused to be for yesterday are going to be inadequate.

Maybe they could see the writing on the wall, as you say, but their defense was and is woefully inadequate. They lost.

 

[GOATeric14berry]

NCAA football 16....coming soon

 

[TheDeeble]

It isn't almost doing it...it is doing it. Not only does the ruling say schools must cover the cost of attendance but it also says the athletes must be paid, in a limited way, for their NLI.


Maybe they could see the writing on the wall, as you say, but their defense was and is woefully inadequate. They lost.

I say "almost paving the way" because the NCAA gave the Power 5 their own freedom with regards to player benefits a few days ago. The Obannon ruling reinforces what the NCAA said to the Power 5 and extends it to all schools/athletes. The NCAA offices may not be happy with this ruling but I think many of the large universities aren't upset at all.

I'm talking about this with regards to the SEC, ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12 and Big 12 (Power 5) working for their own interests. Many big schools have advocated paying players in some way for years. That's always been against NCAA policy and most smaller schools were happy about that as it would further increase the gap between big and small athletic programs.

As far as the NLI, paying players for that would be from non university activities. If I read the ruling right, the players still can't market themselves and universities wouldn't have to pay them (but they have to right to if they want). If EA wants to make another college football game using actual universities they'd have to compensate players in some way.

 

[Orange And Garnet]

I share your disgust in many ways for what's taken place in big time college football.

In terms of what happens to sports programs at other levels, I type this to alleviate your fears.

Did you know that Centre College, a division III school offers 2 more men's sports and 1 more women's sport than UT does? Carson Newman has 1 more sport than UT offers, they are DII.

I realize it's not an apples to apples comparison as D III doesn't offer athletic scholarships (however, they do have very creative scholarship programs for athletes they want to get on campus)...

My broader point is that the fear that women's programs will be cut, that Title IX is under attack, all of that is BS. The real question is not whether these 65 institutions have the money to do the right thing by the athletes, it's why has it taken this threat...lawsuits, Congressional action, for them to do the right thing?

I almost went to centre but like you said no athletic scholarships that place is expensive. And they didn't get too creative with the other scholarships

 

[vol66]

I say "almost paving the way" because the NCAA gave the Power 5 their own freedom with regards to player benefits a few days ago. The Obannon ruling reinforces what the NCAA said to the Power 5 and extends it to all schools/athletes. The NCAA offices may not be happy with this ruling but I think many of the large universities aren't upset at all.

I'm talking about this with regards to the SEC, ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12 and Big 12 (Power 5) working for their own interests. Many big schools have advocated paying players in some way for years. That's always been against NCAA policy and most smaller schools were happy about that as it would further increase the gap between big and small athletic programs.

Look...The NCAA is Ohio State, LSU, Boise State, La. Tech and everybody in between.

Mark Emmert went before congress and agreed with every single comment, suggestion, complaint that was made, even when he was called a minion.

Mark Emmert isn't the NCAA, the presidents of the schools are the NCAA. Mark Emmert didn't say it was okay for the NCAA to license Bill Russell's name, likeness and image to EA Sports or Oscar Robertson's, two men that could not have possibly known when they were 18 years old what a video game would be. In fact, Mark Emmert wasn't even on the job at the time of that agreement I don't believe.

The Universities did it. They did it because they were arrogant, because in their minds, they own it. "It's the name on the front of the jersey that has worth, the name on the back ain't worth nothing...."

Not anymore.

and you know what...John Currie, former executive associate athletic director at UT and now the AD at KSU has to sit down with his football coach who said this...

"It's changed. I mean, college athletics, football in particular, has changed dramatically over the years," Snyder said. "I think we've sold out. We're all about dollars and cents."
"The concept of college football no longer has any bearing on the quality of the person, the quality of students," Kansas State coach Bill Snyder said. "Universities are selling themselves out."

Now some may view that as hypocritical given his salary...I view it as a guy who has been in the business of college athletics and is coming to the end of a very long career....either way you look at it, it's hard to say he is wrong.