name 5 bad things about President Obama

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I have yet to hear a speech from either side (much less someone not even running) that would swing my vote either way.
 
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Gramps said:
Level headed and honest, you jealous ? .... lol
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Anyone that is so disconnected with what that post meant doesn't deserve to vote. Period. And, the fact that you sugar coated what Barry was saying says all anyone needs to know about you. Tell him the real truth about what Barry meant when he made his statement (i.e. Government built the businesses, not the people).
 
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TNGlen said:
Anyone that is so disconnected with what that post meant doesn't deserve to vote. Period. And, the fact that you sugar coated what Barry was saying says all anyone needs to know about you. Tell him the real truth about what Barry meant when he made his statement (i.e. Government built the businesses, not the people).
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I just call it the way I see it.
I don't wear the red or blue goggles.

I try to look at politics with an open mind.

I think Obama has be a terrible president and I also think we have a terrible congress.

I truly don't know how Romney would be. He scares me flipflopping on soo many issues. His record definitely doesn't match his rhetoric.

What scares me the most would be having the WH , Senate and House all controlled by the same party.
 
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Gramps said:
I just call it the way I see it. yes

I don't wear the blue goggles.

I try to look at politics with an open mind.yes

I think Obama has be a terrible president and I also think we have a terrible Senate Majority Leader.

I truly don't know how Romney would be. He scares me flipflopping on soo many issues. My wife is much more politically savvy than I am. The one thing that she agrees with me on is that even though he may have changed his tune since being Gov., we feel that he has at least given the same spiel during his entire campaign. We feel that that is the very reason that he had to come from behind because his message is dull and boring. Basically, the Federal Government needs to just stay out of things. Maybe I am wrong, but I can't vote for GJ and would shoot myself before supporting Barry and his merry band of idiots. His record definitely doesn't match his rhetoric.

What scares me the most would be having the WH , Senate and House all controlled by the same party.I wouldn't mind this for one term but without a super majority in the Senate.
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I know I sound close minded and I may be on some things but on others I am quite open minded. But I absolutely despise people like Sandra Fluke. The sad fact is that a majority of the Dems support her and her flawed cause only furthers the false platform of the "war on women". There are bad apples in the GOP, but most of them get denigrated by their own party (see Trent Lott).
 
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TNGlen said:
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I know I sound close minded and I may be on some things but on others I am quite open minded. But I absolutely despise people like Sandra Fluke. The sad fact is that a majority of the Dems support her and her flawed cause only furthers the false platform of the "war on women". There are bad apples in the GOP, but most of them get denigrated by their own party (see Trent Lott).
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You make good points and Romney may turn.out to be a very good.president if elected.

Personally I cannot vote for Romney because of his changes on policies depending on the office he is running for.

I do not like Sandra Fluke either. I cannot believe they gave her a prime time talking spot.

I think there are a few good in both parties with the majority being bad
 
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volinbham said:
1) Ideologue not interested in compromise - see Bob Woodward's new book for further confirmation.


Was willing to compromise plenty on the debt ceiling deal, and did. But Cantor took the deal off the table.

2) Has done virtually everything that he criticized W for (lobbyist, signing statements, executive orders, massive deficits, rendition, Gitmo, drones, etc.)

Somewhat correct.

3) Has no working economic plan and instead focused all attention on HC reform.

I disagree. I think the presidency is limited with what he can do with the current problems. The few programs he has put out there have been stonewalled by the Congressional GOP, not because they are bad ideas, but solely to deprive him of any victory whatsoever.

I'd like to have seen him okay the pipeline, but that's about it. And the economic benefits of that have been waaaaay overstated by the GOP.



4) Policies have not improved the condition of the country.


Well, how can one argue with jello like that?

5) No serious effort or even stated policy on a) energy, b) trade, c) immigration and d) biggest of all - entitlement reform.

Wrong on energy. He does. On immigration, now you are just making yourself look silly. He did come up with a plan on entitlement reform and had deal in place with Boehner, but the far right wing of the GOP killed it.


6) Poor leadership - blames everyone and everything except himself. Historically low effort to work with Congress (even his own party).

Ok, well, that's just nonsense. He reached out, had a deal, and the GOP backed out. This is why the GOP Congress has the lowest approval rating of all time. They suck. And you know its true.

7) Doubled-down on W's expansion of executive power with czars and agency growth that enacts policy without Congressional oversight or approval.


The far right of the GOP has left him little choice since they have vowed to do everything they can to never, ever, pass anything he proposes. Whether its good for the country or not.


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Blaming Obama for the things that the Congressional GOP simply will not do out of political spite is exactly why Obama is still leading this election despite 8 % unemployment, and is the reason the House GOP has the lowest approval ratings of all time.

Obama has been far from perfect. And in the end I think there is very little any person in that office could do to expedite the recovery. What little he could do, with some rare exception, has been stymied by the temper tantrums from the far right that are afraid of their own shadows at this point.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
IMHO, it's virtually pointless to discuss politics here on VN. Miniscule diversity.
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It is actually pointless to talk politics anywhere. Very few minds are going to be changed. I enjoy it.

I learned many years ago that people will explode over politics and religion more than any other subject.

That is the two things I enjoy discussing.

Keeping that in mind and a mod stepping in occasionally the VN political forum is very civil. There are more right wing than left wing with a few moderates. I think it is a very good political forum.
 
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Gramps said:
It is actually pointless to talk politics anywhere. Very few minds are going to be changed. I enjoy it.

I learned many years ago that people will explode over politics and religion more than any other subject.

That is the two things I enjoy discussing.

Keeping that in mind and a mod stepping in occasionally the VN political forum is very civil. There are more right wing than left wing with a few moderates. I think it is a very good political forum.
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Well said.

I'm considering voting for the first time in my life. CONSIDERING.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Well said.

I'm considering voting for the first time in my life. CONSIDERING.
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You need to vote. Believe it or not, there are a number of local and state offices that you can affect with your vote. Often those are more important to your daily life than the presidential election.
 
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YorkVol said:
You need to vote. Believe it or not, there are a number of local and state offices that you can affect with your vote. Often those are more important to your daily life than the presidential election.
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Well said York.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Blaming Obama for the things that the Congressional GOP simply will not do out of political spite is exactly why Obama is still leading this election despite 8 % unemployment, and is the reason the House GOP has the lowest approval ratings of all time.

Obama has been far from perfect. And in the end I think there is very little any person in that office could do to expedite the recovery. What little he could do, with some rare exception, has been stymied by the temper tantrums from the far right that are afraid of their own shadows at this point.
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Funny, Congress wasn't the issue his first 2 years (or at least nobody was talking about it). That was all on W. Now its Congress and not Obama, and there is very little any person in that office can do.

In other words, its everybodys fault but his. Got it.:eek:k:
 
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Gramps said:
I just call it the way I see it.
I don't wear the red or blue goggles.

I try to look at politics with an open mind.

I think Obama has be a terrible president and I also think we have a terrible congress.

I truly don't know how Romney would be. He scares me flipflopping on soo many issues. His record definitely doesn't match his rhetoric.

What scares me the most would be having the WH , Senate and House all controlled by the same party.
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this +1,000,000,000
 
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BeecherVol said:
Funny, Congress wasn't the issue his first 2 years (or at least nobody was talking about it). That was all on W. Now its Congress and not Obama, and there is very little any person in that office can do.

In other words, its everybodys fault but his. Got it.:eek:k:
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You are aware that things changed two years ago, right?

Hmmmm ... Maybe you aren't.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are aware that things changed two years ago, right?

Hmmmm ... Maybe you aren't.
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Yeah, I thought that was pretty evident.

My bad.

BeecherVol said:
Funny, Congress wasn't the issue his first 2 years (or at least nobody was talking about it). That was all on W. Now its Congress and not Obama, and there is very little any person in that office can do.

In other words, its everybodys fault but his. Got it.:eek:k:
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Let me rephrase.

Obamas first 2 years (when he controlled both the HoR and Senate) it was Ws fault. Congress was not the issue.

Now, after a midterm election (where he lost the HoR in that election somehow, even though the past 2 years were Ws fault) its the Houses fault.
 
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1. despite claims to the contrary, he is a result of his past. He openly sought out socialists and other radicals and it shows today, particularly in economic policy

2. can't take criticism and uses the bully pulpit of his office to publicly humiliate those who have dared cross him (the Supreme Court and Paul Ryan come to mind)

3. Gibson Guitars and Boeing

4. refuses to take responsibility for his part in the current financial mess. Prefers to blame Bush, a natural disaster half a world away, and popular unrest in the Middle East

5. Joe Biden, Tim Geithner, Kathleen Sibelius, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, etc.
 
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