Name, Image, Likeness with Kirby in mind

R U Willing to send $5 to the bursar's office for Kirby Connell's education?

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#27
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WillisWG said:
01 General Principles. 15.01.1 Institutional Financial Aid Permitted. A student-athlete may receive scholarships or educational grants-in-aid administered by (see Bylaw 15.02.1) an educational institution that do not conflict with the governing legislation of this Association. (See Bylaws 15.01.6.1, 16.3, 16.4 and 16.12.) (Revised: 5/26/09) 15.01.1.1 Financial Aid to Attend Another Institution. An institution may not provide financial aid to a studentathlete to attend another institution, except as specifically authorized by NCAA legislation. (Adopted: 1/16/93) 15.01.1.1.1 Exception -- Scholarship to Attend Vocational School. A conference or an institution may provide a scholarship to a student-athlete to attend a vocational school. Such a scholarship may be provided in addition to a full grant-in-aid and shall not be limited. (Adopted: 8/12/20, Revised: 10/6/21) 15.01.2 Improper Financial Aid. Any student-athlete who receives financial aid other than that permitted by the Association shall not be eligible for intercollegiate athletics. 15.01.3 Financial Aid Not Administered by Institution. Any student who receives financial aid other than that administered by the student-athlete's institution shall not be eligible for intercollegiate athletics competition, unless it is specifically approved under the Association's rules of amateurism (see Bylaw 12) or the aid is: (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11) (a) Received from one upon whom the student-athlete is naturally or legally dependent; or (b) Awarded solely on bases having no relationship to athletics ability; or (c) Awarded through an established and continuing program to aid students under the conditions listed in Bylaw 15.2.6.4.

15.01.4 Contributions by Donor. An individual may contribute funds to finance a scholarship or grant-in-aid for a particular sport, but the decision as to how such funds are to be allocated in the sport shall rest exclusively with the institution. It is not permissible for a donor to contribute funds to finance a scholarship or grant-in-aid for a particular student-athlete.
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"or (b) Awarded solely on bases having no relationship to athletics ability; "

I love it. So a valid exception is "I like his mustache" or "I met his dad online and wanted to help out".

If they don't allow reasons like I've presented, then I'll go make a $5 payment to the bursars of the best pitchers of the remaining teams and turn them in and let the NCAA sort it out.
 
#28
#28
Dadof2Vols said:
I was afraid without an organization it would be the same as giving the kid 25k under table like Satan used to do and be in violation of rules.
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True, but that was contingent upon a player going to Satan's school. My small donation is contingent on nothing and me trying to:

Be a nice guy and feel better about myself. by helping a student athlete with their college costs regardless if he pitches this season or next season. I believe students have been, and are currently being taken advantage of and want to help specific ones that I identify with.
 
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Drewbydoo said:
"or (b) Awarded solely on bases having no relationship to athletics ability; "

I love it. So a valid exception is "I like his mustache" or "I met his dad online and wanted to help out".

If they don't allow reasons like I've presented, then I'll go make a $5 payment to the bursars of the best pitchers of the remaining teams and turn them in and let the NCAA sort it out.
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You're reference applies to Institutions. Here's one that applies: 15.01.4 Contributions by Donor. An individual may contribute funds to finance a scholarship or grant-in-aid for a particular sport, but the decision as to how such funds are to be allocated in the sport shall rest exclusively with the institution. It is not permissible for a donor to contribute funds to finance a scholarship or grant-in-aid for a particular student-athlete.
 
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WillisWG said:
You're reference applies to Institutions. Here's one that applies: 15.01.4 Contributions by Donor. An individual may contribute funds to finance a scholarship or grant-in-aid for a particular sport, but the decision as to how such funds are to be allocated in the sport shall rest exclusively with the institution. It is not permissible for a donor to contribute funds to finance a scholarship or grant-in-aid for a particular student-athlete.
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My sister isn’t a donor. Set it up under her name 🤣
 
#33
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There’s ways around it. If UNC can skate by academic fraud then we can find a way to do this.
 
#35
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WillisWG said:
You're reference applies to Institutions. Here's one that applies: 15.01.4 Contributions by Donor. An individual may contribute funds to finance a scholarship or grant-in-aid for a particular sport, but the decision as to how such funds are to be allocated in the sport shall rest exclusively with the institution. It is not permissible for a donor to contribute funds to finance a scholarship or grant-in-aid for a particular student-athlete.
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Just found this and it makes your point very clear and decimates, but I'm about the truth, not being right or wrong:

During last year’s NCAA tournament, UConn star Shabazz Napier complained that “there are nights that I go to bed starving.” In other words, state governments, universities and donors can spend untold millions building extravagant facilities that would make Marie Antoinette blush, but can’t pay for a players’ food. And then, to add insult to injury, the NCAA will suspend players for being given free tattoos, or receiving $200 from a childhood friend, or getting a $4500 loan or giving out too many signatures.​

It’s so ridiculous that not long ago, offering a player a bagel with cream cheese violated NCAA regulations. Offering him the bagel was fine, as was the cream cheese. But offer both and you have crossed the line. Buried away in the NCAA’s myriad of nonsensical rules was a stipulation that snacks could be provided to players, but meals could not be. Bagel = snack. Bagel and cream cheese = meal. Got it?"​
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Larger, bold, orange text was an enhancement of mine and not how the text was originally presented, but the verbiage is directly from the source.​
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I will soon be eating dinner with my parents and long time best friend./college roommate. My parents are both extremely unhappy about:

  • an athlete not having enough to eat
  • receiving $200 from a childhood friend is a violation
  • a bagel and cream cheese ever being considered a meal
 
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tennessee-baseball-kirby-connell-vollie-fingers-shirt-shirt.jpg
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
I told you how, we buy $25 tshirts from @preacherman20 with stache’s picture on them.
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That may be a possibility. After reading quite a lot of what the NCAA had to say about it's finances and what investigative reporters have reported about past violations and investigations, if that's the only legal way, then so be it. With a tee shirt, preacherman has to declare that as income and is going to have to pay some amount of tax on it and then literally be able to account where that money came from.

Precedent has been set when the NCAA determined that it's a violation for a childhood friend to give a current student athlete $200. Compared to the total cost of an education, $200 is literally in the round off error of the total educational cost at a division 1 school. The more I learn about the NCAA, the less I like the NCAA.
 
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preacherman20 said:
I won’t come in on any of this except please do not buy that T-shirt that is posted because he gets 0% of that if it is the one I think it is.
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What’s the minimum number of shirts you can print?
 
#41
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Drewbydoo said:
Just found this and it makes your point very clear and decimates, but I'm about the truth, not being right or wrong:

During last year’s NCAA tournament, UConn star Shabazz Napier complained that “there are nights that I go to bed starving.” In other words, state governments, universities and donors can spend untold millions building extravagant facilities that would make Marie Antoinette blush, but can’t pay for a players’ food. And then, to add insult to injury, the NCAA will suspend players for being given free tattoos, or receiving $200 from a childhood friend, or getting a $4500 loan or giving out too many signatures.​

It’s so ridiculous that not long ago, offering a player a bagel with cream cheese violated NCAA regulations. Offering him the bagel was fine, as was the cream cheese. But offer both and you have crossed the line. Buried away in the NCAA’s myriad of nonsensical rules was a stipulation that snacks could be provided to players, but meals could not be. Bagel = snack. Bagel and cream cheese = meal. Got it?"​
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Larger, bold, orange text was an enhancement of mine and not how the text was originally presented, but the verbiage is directly from the source.​
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I will soon be eating dinner with my parents and long time best friend./college roommate. My parents are both extremely unhappy about:

  • an athlete not having enough to eat
  • receiving $200 from a childhood friend is a violation
  • a bagel and cream cheese ever being considered a meal
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16.5.2.3 Meals and Snacks.
[A] An institution may provide meals and snacks to a student-athlete at any time. An institution shall not provide cash for a meal unless authorized by NCAA legislation. [R] (Revised: 8/7/14, 10/20/14, 8/3/22) 16.5.2.3.1

Meal Expenses in Conjunction with Competition and Practice Activities.
[A] An institution may provide a student-athlete with cash for a meal in conjunction with competition or a meal missed due to practice activities in a manner consistent with cash provided by the institution to institutional staff members on away-fromcampus trips. (Adopted: 8/3/22)

16.11.1 Permissible. [A] 16.11.1.1 General Rule. [A] Receipt of a benefit (including otherwise prohibited extra benefits per Bylaw 16.11.2) by student-athletes, their family members or friends is not a violation of NCAA rules if it is demonstrated that the same benefit is generally available to the institution's students and their family members or friends. (Revised: 1/19/13 effective 8/1/13, 8/7/14)

16.11.1.3 Loan From Established Family Friend. [A] A student-athlete may receive a loan from an established family friend without such arrangement constituting an extra benefit, provided: [R] (Adopted: 1/11/94, Revised: 8/7/14)
(a) The loan is not offered to the student-athlete based in any degree on the student-athlete's athletics ability or reputation;
(b) The individual providing the loan is not considered a representative of the institution's athletics interests; and
(c) The relationship between the individual providing the loan and the student-athlete existed prior to the initiation of the student-athlete's recruitment by the member institution.
 
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preacherman20 said:
I won’t come in on any of this except please do not buy that T-shirt that is posted because he gets 0% of that if it is the one I think it is.
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Wow! Want me to delete it?

Pretty sure that is one they have at the Alumni Hall store in Murfreesboro, TN. If there are multiple ones of similar style, I'm probably confused on which is which.
 
#48
#48
taylorvol said:
I once Venmo’ed an athlete some money after an NIL event. I didn’t buy anything at the event but did eat dinner at the restaurant beforehand. Anyway, I looked up his Venmo and felt confident it was his and just sent him some dinero. I felt it was legal under NIL bc he took pictures and chatted with my family. Like the OP, I wanted him to have 100% of the money and not a small portion of the proceeds from the NIL merchandise. If someone could check if this was okay, it’d be great to have this as an option but would need verified legit Venmo’s as too many folks would setup look alikes.
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I checked and it’s okay to pay an athlete for a picture, autograph, chatting with your kids, etc. Venmo’ing an athlete after meeting them at a NIL event is totally legit.
 
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WillisWG said:
You're reference applies to Institutions. Here's one that applies: 15.01.4 Contributions by Donor. An individual may contribute funds to finance a scholarship or grant-in-aid for a particular sport, but the decision as to how such funds are to be allocated in the sport shall rest exclusively with the institution. It is not permissible for a donor to contribute funds to finance a scholarship or grant-in-aid for a particular student-athlete.
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I'm not trying to do that at all. I wanted to find a way where I could electronically give some nominal amount of money to Kirby without causing him any hassle AND that he and HE alone would get 100% of it. I don't want to go through his father because then his dad would have to pay income tax on it. In theory, if he gave that money to Kirby, Kirby would then have to pay income tax on it. I realize that if the amount is large enough, kirby would have to pay income tax on it anyway, particularly if we're trying to void the entirety of what he Kirby owes in terms of student loan debt, so I thought, the bursar's office would be one place the money could go directly to some of Kirby's debt and that a university won't respond to any requests for the release of any academic record and that includes whether or not he has a degree or what his GPA. That motivates students to pay they bursar what they because finding a job and not being able to prove you have a degree or release you academic record makes finding a job or continuing their education impossible. Most universities won't allow you register for the next semester's classes if you owe them more than a few hundred dollars (ie parking tickets)

Either way, I am not trying to contribute funds to finance a scholarship, nor am I attempting to fund a grant-in-aid for a particular student.
 
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Drewbydoo said:
I'm not trying to do that at all. I wanted to find a way where I could electronically give some nominal amount of money to Kirby without causing him any hassle AND that he and HE alone would get 100% of it. I don't want to go through his father because then his dad would have to pay income tax on it. In theory, if he gave that money to Kirby, Kirby would then have to pay income tax on it. I realize that if the amount is large enough, kirby would have to pay income tax on it anyway, particularly if we're trying to void the entirety of what he Kirby owes in terms of student loan debt, so I thought, the bursar's office would be one place the money could go directly to some of Kirby's debt and that a university won't respond to any requests for the release of any academic record and that includes whether or not he has a degree or what his GPA. That motivates students to pay they bursar what they because finding a job and not being able to prove you have a degree or release you academic record makes finding a job or continuing their education impossible. Most universities won't allow you register for the next semester's classes if you owe them more than a few hundred dollars (ie parking tickets)

Either way, I am not trying to contribute funds to finance a scholarship, nor am I attempting to fund a grant-in-aid for a particular student.
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Kirby’s Venmo is easy to find. Just sayin’. Hint: 16 not 35.
 
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