Nascar rules steal another win from JG

#51
#51
TennesseeFan07 said:
Exactly. I'll admit I'm a Jr and Harvick fan and they may not be the greatest of all time, but they both have achieved some pretty good accomplishments. Instead he shoots me down since Jr is popular and Harvick drives in the Nationwide Series.
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Nationwide Championships and All Star races aren't anything to brag about.
 
#53
#53
doozer said:
Nationwide Championships and All Star races aren't anything to brag about.
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I guess being a prominant team owner, a Brickyard champion, a Bud Shootout, and a Daytona 500 is overated. Jr and Harvick have both done it(Jr hasn't won Indy). What has Kurt accomplished other than a title?
 
#54
#54
TennesseeFan07 said:
I guess being a prominant team owner, a Brickyard champion, a Bud Shootout, and a Daytona 500 is overated. Jr and Harvick have both done it(Jr hasn't won Indy). What has Kurt accomplished other than a title?
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By God you can bet if Kurt done all that, he would be a world beater
 
#55
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#10_Ainge_#10 said:
I know the #s....3 more wins and a Championship...Yeah he's light years better..Give me a break

BTW, living off the one single championship Kurt has, is just like living off the dead legend that is Bear Bryant for Alabama fans. That was when Rousch was at the peak of their game. Since moving to Penske he hasn't come close.

But because I say so, you're wrong.
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You do realize that the overrated son of a former champion is driving for, arguably, the greatest team in Nascar history, who are at the peak of their game right now. Since moving to Hendrick, he hasn't come close. Hell, last year, even a 50 year old who retired years ago showed up overrated Jr on his own team.
 
#56
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#10_Ainge_#10 said:
I know the #s....3 more wins and a Championship...Yeah he's light years better..Give me a break

BTW, living off the one single championship Kurt has, is just like living off the dead legend that is Bear Bryant for Alabama fans. That was when Rousch was at the peak of their game. Since moving to Penske he hasn't come close.

But because I say so, you're wrong.
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Which is one more championship than Jr has, or will ever have.
 
#57
#57
cd12 said:
AJ Allmendinger would get more out of the 88 than Jr has been. I believe Sr knew how to set up a car for Jr and he lost that after his passing. Jr cannot set one up and he cannot relay what he needs to his crew.
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Tony Eury knew how to set up a car for Jr. Not only that, but he served as a surrogate father figure after the death of Dale Sr. He has been missing that since 04.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
You do realize that the overrated son of a former champion is driving for, arguably, the greatest team in Nascar history, who are at the peak of their game right now. Since moving to Hendrick, he hasn't come close. Hell, last year, even a 50 year old who retired years ago showed up overrated Jr on his own team.
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Yeah. I guess when little brother is not doing so great we jump on big brother's bandwagon. Jr is over rated because of his last name. Hell I said in this thread he is an average driver. I've never said Jr was the best in the sport nor will I ever. And you want to talk about getting shown up, if not for a couple mid pack races Logano would be showing your boy Kyle up and its just his 2nd year in Cup.
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#59
#59
cd12 said:
AJ Allmendinger would get more out of the 88 than Jr has been. I believe Sr knew how to set up a car for Jr and he lost that after his passing. Jr cannot set one up and he cannot relay what he needs to his crew.
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Since DE Sr. was apparently setting up the cars from beyond the grave in 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004 when Jr. was running well and winning a few races each year, as a Jr. fan I'd appreciate it if he'd start doing that again.

MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Hell, last year, even a 50 year old who retired years ago showed up overrated Jr on his own team.
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Martin basically had a better season than anyone not named Jimmie Johnson last year, so I'm not sure that's the best reasoning to use to show how Jr. struggled. Finishing 25th in the points pretty much did that itself.

Not sure how we got to this point, but let's please get back to the main point of the thread: NASCAR hates Jiff Gordon, makes up rules to ensure he never wins any races, thus allowing Johnson to junkpunch him on the track for going on a decade.
 
#61
#61
I like Jr. I also like Smoke, but Jr. is my favorite.

I hated his dad, preferring Elliott.

Unfortunately, as bad as it pains me to admit it, Jr. appears far closer to being the next Kyle Petty, than SR.
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#62
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Tenacious D said:
Unfortunately, as bad as it pains me to admit it, Jr. appears far closer to being the next Kyle Petty, than SR.
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i've said the same thing as well.

i believe Junior has exactly twice as many wins. a rich man's Kyle Petty if you will.
 
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#10_Ainge_#10 said:
Yeah. I guess when little brother is not doing so great we jump on big brother's bandwagon.
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So stating the obvious now equals jumping on the bandwagon? You want to downplay Kurt's championship because Roush was at the top of their game. Name me a driver who won the championship when their team wasn't on top of their game.

I pull for Kyle first, then the other JGR drivers, both current and former. If I were going to jump on anybody's bandwagon this year it would be Denny.

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And you want to talk about getting shown up, if not for a couple mid pack races Logano would be showing your boy Kyle up and its just his 2nd year in Cup.
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Kyle has struggled this year no doubt. I personally wish he would scale back the Nationwide and truck efforts and concentrate on the cup team.
 
#64
#64
tidwell said:
Not sure how we got to this point, but let's please get back to the main point of the thread: NASCAR hates Jiff Gordon, makes up rules to ensure he never wins any races, thus allowing Johnson to junkpunch him on the track for going on a decade.
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:lolabove:
 
#65
#65
If not for Gordon's own stupidity, he'd be a 10-time champion right now. And likely would have a little south of 150 wins. Shame.
 
#68
#68
Kiffin61 said:
His old team is pumping out championships for Jimmie Johnson.

He keeps that team and chooses Knaus over Loomis, the years 2002-2009 look a lot like 1998.
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if it wasn't for the Chase, Gordon would have 6 titles, Edwards would have 1 and Johnson would have 1.

Evernham leaving hurt Gordon more than not going with Knaus.
 
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doozer said:
if it wasn't for the Chase, Gordon would have 6 titles, Edwards would have 1 and Johnson would have 1.

Evernham leaving hurt Gordon more than not going with Knaus.
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24 was pretty badass in '01 and he struggled with Evernham in the later stages (99-00ish).

There will never be a more dominant team than the 95-98 24.
And BTW, Jimmie Johnson is a talentless hack. Can't stand the dude.
 
#70
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Kiffin61 said:
24 was pretty badass in '01 and he struggled with Evernham in the later stages (99-00ish).

There will never be a more dominant team than the 95-98 24.
And BTW, Jimmie Johnson is a talentless hack. Can't stand the dude.
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i'll agree that JJ has benefited tremendously from his crew chief (who may be the best ever) and his team, but you don't win 50 races and 4 titles by accident.
 
#71
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doozer said:
i'll agree that JJ has benefited tremendously from his crew chief (who may be the best ever) and his team, but you don't win 50 races and 4 titles by accident.
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Knaus is just that good. As far as I'm concerned, Jeff Gordon, Juan Pablo Montoya, Tony Stewart, and Robby Gordon are the only guys in the series worth a damn. Younger Busch is too reckless. All the others are nondescript and easily replaceable.

The lack of wins for Montoya, Robby Gordon, and to a lesser degree, Stewart, just shows how important equipment is.
 
#72
#72
doozer said:
i'll agree that JJ has benefited tremendously from his crew chief (who may be the best ever) and his team, but you don't win 50 races and 4 titles by accident.
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Look at Gordon's success with Ray Evernham and then afterward. Sure he still wins races, but only one championship in the 9 years without him.

I think if you split up Knaus and Johnson, Johnsons's talent would still win him races, but he would not be nearly as dominant.
 
#73
#73
Kiffin61 said:
Knaus is just that good. As far as I'm concerned, Jeff Gordon, Juan Pablo Montoya, Tony Stewart, and Robby Gordon are the only guys in the series worth a damn. Younger Busch is too reckless. All the others are nondescript and easily replaceable.

The lack of wins for Montoya, Robby Gordon, and to a lesser degree, Stewart, just shows how important equipment is.
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I dare say there are a couple dozen drivers who would be happy as hell to have Stewart's win total. Robby had a chance in decent equipment, but his lack of brains over rules his talent. I agree Montoya would have more wins in top line cars, but the same can be said for several others.

I would put Johnson, Kahne, Martin, J. Burton, Biffle, Edwards and Kenseth on the level of "worth a damn". They certainly are not easily replaceable, or there wouldn't be so many marginal drivers as there is.
 
#74
#74
Kiffin61 said:
24 was pretty badass in '01 and he struggled with Evernham in the later stages (99-00ish).

There will never be a more dominant team than the 95-98 24.
And BTW, Jimmie Johnson is a talentless hack. Can't stand the dude.
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I don't like his domination either, but that doesn't make me stupid as to denying his ability.
 
#75
#75
Kiffin61 said:
24 was pretty badass in '01 and he struggled with Evernham in the later stages (99-00ish).

There will never be a more dominant team than the 95-98 24.
And BTW, Jimmie Johnson is a talentless hack. Can't stand the dude.
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Evernham left halfway through the 99 season, and the 24 team already had 5 wins when he left.
 
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