Nascar rules steal another win from JG

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

24 was pretty badass in '01 and he struggled with Evernham in the later stages (99-00ish).

There will never be a more dominant team than the 95-98 24.
And BTW, Jimmie Johnson is a talentless hack. Can't stand the dude.

Because nothing screams talentless hack like 50 wins and 4 straight championships.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

i'll agree that JJ has benefited tremendously from his crew chief (who may be the best ever) and his team, but you don't win 50 races and 4 titles by accident.

They may be the best driver/crew chief combo ever. They've certainly figured out how to work the chase format. As long as that team stays together, there's no telling how many championships they will win.

 

[615 Vol]

His old team is pumping out championships for Jimmie Johnson.

He keeps that team and chooses Knaus over Loomis, the years 2002-2009 look a lot like 1998.

I disagree, first the competition is better and the chase makes 2009 far different than 1998. Also, there is no way of knowing that Knaus and Gordon would've had the same chemistry and success as Knaus and Johnson.

Also, Dale Jarrett pretty much hired Gordon's old team, they didn't go to the 48.

 

[615 Vol]

24 was pretty badass in '01 and he struggled with Evernham in the later stages (99-00ish).

There will never be a more dominant team than the 95-98 24.
And BTW, Jimmie Johnson is a talentless hack. Can't stand the dude.

Jimmie Johnson is far from a "talentless hack." The last couple of weeks have been the exception but he is usually good about saving his car throughout the race. He might not be the most exciting racer but you don't always have to brush the wall, cut across the grass or go three wide to pass someone.

I think some guys like Kyle Busch have more talent with what they can do with a car but Jimmie has more patience and a good understanding of the situations he is in to win races.

 

[Kiffin61]

I disagree, first the competition is better and the chase makes 2009 far different than 1998. Also, there is no way of knowing that Knaus and Gordon would've had the same chemistry and success as Knaus and Johnson.

Also, Dale Jarrett pretty much hired Gordon's old team, they didn't go to the 48.

The crew members went to Jarrett. The guys behind the scenes went to the 48.

Gordon >>>>> Johnson. And it isn't close.

 

[615 Vol]

The crew members went to Jarrett. The guys behind the scenes went to the 48.

Gordon >>>>> Johnson. And it isn't close.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. If Gordon is so much greater than Johnson, why hasn't he won in over a year, not to mention 2008 when he went winless. I like Gordon too but he isn't that much greater than Johnson that you can say "and it isn't close."


As far as the "guys behind the scenes", please enlighten me to what guys suddenly made Gordon winless and made Johnson a 50 race winner and 4 time champ by moving to the 48?

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Yeah. I guess when little brother is not doing so great we jump on big brother's bandwagon. Jr is over rated because of his last name. Hell I said in this thread he is an average driver. I've never said Jr was the best in the sport nor will I ever. And you want to talk about getting shown up, if not for a couple mid pack races Logano would be showing your boy Kyle up and its just his 2nd year in Cup.

If you say so. I'll be the first to admit that Kyle is having a bad year, even though he won tonight. Still, he is third in points.

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. If Gordon is so much greater than Johnson, why hasn't he won in over a year, not to mention 2008 when he went winless. I like Gordon too but he isn't that much greater than Johnson that you can say "and it isn't close."


As far as the "guys behind the scenes", please enlighten me to what guys suddenly made Gordon winless and made Johnson a 50 race winner and 4 time champ by moving to the 48?

I would guess that he is talking about Knaus, who was with the 24 from 93-97. He wasn't with the 24 during their most dominant season in 98 however, he was with DEI. He didn't come back to Hendrick until Johnson's rookie year in 02.

 

[615 Vol]

I would guess that he is talking about Knaus, who was with the 24 from 93-97. He wasn't with the 24 during their most dominant season in 98 however, he was with DEI. He didn't come back to Hendrick until Johnson's rookie year in 02.

Chad Knaus is a great crew chief and he has a lot to do with Jimmie's success. I'm not disputing that Gordon is or isn't a better driver than Johnson, I just don't think the gap is so far apart that someone could say "it's not even close", because it is. Also, as good as Knaus is, he didn't cause the 24 to go into a slump by going to the 48 and he cannot win 50 races and 4 championships without at least a halfway decent driver. Chad Knaus doesn't win nearly as much with Elliot Sadler but I do realize Jimmie doesn't win nearly as much without Knaus.

 

[#10_Ainge_#10]

If you say so. I'll be the first to admit that Kyle is having a bad year, even though he won tonight. Still, he is third in points.

Hey I'll be the first to admit that he should have won last night he had the field covered last night.
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[iuvol2012]

The crew members went to Jarrett. The guys behind the scenes went to the 48.

Gordon >>>>> Johnson. And it isn't close.

This. Although I would've loved to see Gordon and Knaus work together. Still not entirely sure of Steve Letarte's ability, though Gordon has had much better cars this year.

 

[tidwell]

The crew members went to Jarrett. The guys behind the scenes went to the 48.

Gordon >>>>> Johnson. And it isn't close.

If by "the guys behind the scenes went to the 48" you mean "stayed in the exact same shop to work on both the 24 and 48," then you are exactly right. Gordon & Letarte should consider themselves lucky that they have Knaus right there in their shop through the week. It's not the 48 team's fault that Knaus can't hold their hand during race weekends.