National Average Price of Gasoline Hits an All-Time High

[LittleVol]

90/10

Guess what the 90 is.

1) Why did you change the statd equation??

I said Inflation +war+ hitbacks from the corporations.

So why the hell are you going on about the government printing money. I ALREADY MENTIONED INFLATION .

You just trying to argue??

I'm not interested....

 

[LittleVol]

Only if you believe they magically became more greedy this year than the previous.

If not then you have to accept greed is a constant. So the question becomes how do you blame variation on a constant? The answer is you can’t

No this is a moot point.
I already mentioned inflation .

There's literally no reason for us to disagree about what I said...

 

[OrangeTsar]

Just think how much Jed would be worth nowadays

(by the way, pretty Amazing how many times the actors playing the Clampett family fired guns in that Series, yet no one was killed on set, Alec Baldwin could learn a thing or two)

 

[DC_Vol]

It can be both....

Explain in simple terms how a corporation can create inflation.

 

[LittleVol]

Explain in simple terms how a corporation can create inflation.

WHO SAID THAT???

 

[Vol8188]

No this is a moot point.
I already mentioned inflation .

There's literally no reason for us to disagree about what I said...

It’s not a moot point at all. You can’t blame business for inflation. It’s an ignorant stance.

Corporate greed is a constant. Constants are not to blame for change

 

[Vol8188]

WHO SAID THAT???

You. “It can be both”

 

[DC_Vol]

WHO SAID THAT???

You did.

 

[lawgator1]

Banks making good investments, no that does not harm our national security because it does nothing for the overall demand. You're falsely assuming banks not giving loans to oil will magically make us less dependent on oil. Banks divesting/defunding fossil fuels however does harm our national security by making us reliant on foreign countries (Germany is a great example of this).

The US is the largest producer of oil, Canada is one of the top producers of oil, we need to uncuff the market. Instead of that, the left (congress specifically) is openly calling for us to end all drilling on Federal lands during the middle of this crisis.

It's detached from reality.

Cars were at one time detached from reality. So were planes. We are watching EVs develop in real time before our eyes.

The switch to a new technology is rearely overnight.

 

[Vol8188]

Cars were at one time detached from reality. So were planes. We are watching EVs develop in real time before our eyes.

The switch to a new technology is rearely overnight.

Idk how you thought that was a counterpoint. It addressed nothing. The reality is the policies you support make us less secure today and directly harm the poor in this country and abroad.

 

[lawgator1]

Idk how you thought that was a counterpoint. It addressed nothing. The reality is the policies you support make us less secure today and directly harm the poor in this country and abroad.

Short term cost for long term gain. Pretty much the case in every evolution of technology. Go see how many blacksmiths you can find now.

 

[Vol8188]

Short term cost for long term gain. Pretty much the case in every evolution of technology. Go see how many blacksmiths you can find now.

Let the poor suffer now (and everyone else) because we may (not even guaranteed) be able to slightly improve tomorrow? Yeah, that's a crazy stance and should be mocked mercilessly

 

[lawgator1]

Let the poor suffer now (and everyone else) because we may be able to slightly improve tomorrow? Yeah, that's a crazy stance and should be mocked mercilessly

They were mocked, too.

 

[Vol8188]

They were mocked, too.

And today aviation is still very inefficient. That’s not your best argument at all. No one in their right mind would say we should stop banks from making loans for carts and buggies or cars so we can improve airplanes. Which is the insane argument you’re attempting to make

For every thing that was mocked that worked out there’s hundreds that were mocked and didn’t work out.

So why do you want to gamble everyone’s present on the potential of slightly better future?

We shouldn’t defund the auto industry in hopes of improving airplanes. Nor should we defund fossil fuels in hopes of improving solar and/or wind. It’s nonsensical

 

[85SugarVol]

Cars were at one time detached from reality. So were planes. We are watching EVs develop in real time before our eyes.

The switch to a new technology is rearely overnight.

Do you believe banks at the turn of the century were told not to make loans for horses? To hasten adoption of the new technology?

 

[hog88]

1) Why did you change the statd equation??

I said Inflation +war+ hitbacks from the corporations.

So why the hell are you going on about the government printing money. I ALREADY MENTIONED INFLATION .

You just trying to argue??

I'm not interested....

Forgive me, I thought your contention was that greedy corporations were driving inflation.

 

[hog88]

Short term cost for long term gain. Pretty much the case in every evolution of technology. Go see how many blacksmiths you can find now.

Nobody has yet shown how transitioning to EVs will be a long term gain.

 

[DC_Vol]

Nobody has yet shown how transitioning to EVs will be a long term gain.

Let me start by saying I’m not at all against EVs. They are a great available option for people who want them and who’s lifestyle they fit or those who think they are more environmentally friendly. Whatever one’s reason for wanting one, I’m happy they are available.

Even if I were to come to the conclusion that they are more environmentally friendly (which I’m not convinced of), they are a bigger net security risk for the country.

Which makes one of the biggest arguments for moving to EVs a supporting point for gas powered vehicles. If relying on foreign countries for oil is a security risk, the backup plan would be to drill our own. We have plenty of that here…it’s just policy decisions and maybe some economics that keep us from doing it all at home.

The inputs for the power source of an electric vehicle are in much shorter supply and much of it comes from counties we cannot rely on to be our allies (China and Russia to name a few). And what’s the backup plan? It’s not available here inside our borders.

We will be more dependent than ever on foreign countries to power our vehicles here. I don’t think at this point of time EVs are a viable solution.

 

[hog88]

Let me start by saying I’m not at all against EVs. They are a great available option for people who want them and who’s lifestyle they fit or those who think they are more environmentally friendly. Whatever one’s reason for wanting one, I’m happy they are available.

Even if I were to come to the conclusion that they are more environmentally friendly (which I’m not convinced of), they are a bigger net security risk for the country.

Which makes one of the biggest arguments for moving to EVs a supporting point for gas powered vehicles. If relying on foreign countries for oil is a security risk, the backup plan would be to drill our own. We have plenty of that here…it’s just policy decisions and maybe some economics that keep us from doing it all at home.

The inputs for the power source of an electric vehicle are in much shorter supply and much of it comes from counties we cannot rely on to be our allies (China and Russia to name a few). And what’s the backup plan? It’s not available here inside our borders.

We will be more dependent than ever on foreign countries to power our vehicles here. I don’t think at this point of time EVs are a viable solution.

Absolutely agree. EVs are perfect options for a lot of people but not everyone and they certainly do not enhance our national security or independence. Imagine our country dependent on EVs being hit with an EMP.

 

[VolStrom]

Absolutely agree. EVs are perfect options for a lot of people but not everyone and they certainly do not enhance our national security or independence. Imagine our country dependent on EVs being hit with an EMP.

Since most cars built in the last 20+ years are rolling computers anyway, it wouldn't make much difference whether you drove an electric car or a gasoline car at that point.

 

[MG1968]

Since most cars built in the last 20+ years are rolling computers anyway, it wouldn't make much difference whether you drove an electric car or a gasoline car at that point.

You could convert a modern car to run with a carburetor a lot easier than you could get a Tesla paperweight to move under that scenario.

 

[hog88]

Since most cars built in the last 20+ years are rolling computers anyway, it wouldn't make much difference whether you drove an electric car or a gasoline car at that point.

The ecm in most cars can be bypassed and made operational without much trouble.

 

[Vol8188]

Since most cars built in the last 20+ years are rolling computers anyway, it wouldn't make much difference whether you drove an electric car or a gasoline car at that point.

I don’t believe the same metals are needed to make a computer system as are needed for an EV battery. Granted I’ll admit I know little about both.

The other thing is the computer systems in cars are not required. If we were unable to get these minerals, no loss

If we spend billions creating electric gas stations we can no longer use, major loss.

 

[lawgator1]

And today aviation is still very inefficient. That’s not your best argument at all. No one in their right mind would say we should stop banks from making loans for carts and buggies or cars so we can improve airplanes. Which is the insane argument you’re attempting to make

For every thing that was mocked that worked out there’s hundreds that were mocked and didn’t work out.

So why do you want to gamble everyone’s present on the potential of slightly better future?

We shouldn’t defund the auto industry in hopes of improving airplanes. Nor should we defund fossil fuels in hopes of improving solar and/or wind. It’s nonsensical

Okay, so let's break this down a bit.

First, your comment "No one in their right mind would say we should stop banks from making loans for carts and buggies or cars so we can improve airplanes. Which is the insane argument you’re attempting to make."

#1 I am not making any argument of the sort. I am saying that moving away from fossil fuels is a good idea, worthy of discussion. That's all.

#2 You are misquoting the resolution. It is to prevent loans to businesses developing oil and fossil fuels, not stop loans for cars.

Second, and related, its just a bunch of activists who bought some shares in all the banks and float these proposals at annual meetings to call attention to the issue:

EXCLUSIVE Shareholder group pressures U.S. banks to drop fossil fuels faster


Don't get your panties in a wad, its not going to pass. Its just advocacy.

 

[VolStrom]

You could convert a modern car to run with a carburetor a lot easier than you could get a Tesla paperweight to move under that scenario.

Have you looked at a modern car engine lately? Maybe an older engine with a first generation throttle body you might be able to, but I doubt too many people would possess the skills needed.