National Sales Tax Replacing Income Tax

[rekinhavoc]

I say we cut the pay of politicians because I don't believe they're doing much to "earn" it.

My man!

 

[LouderVol]

It all boils down to if a national sales tax results in a more equitable shouldering of the burden.
If it does, I'm all for it. If it doesn't, I'm against it.

With a sales tax you can choose what you pay.

It's not the equitable unicorn you are chasing. But it's fair.

 

[LouderVol]

Gee IDK how bout the entire tax code being rewritten entirely for their benefit.

It was written for their benefit too. Take a look at who wrote those laws.

This puts the power of choice in people's hands.

 

[LouderVol]

No they can make dumb decisions that only affect them whenever they feel like. Basing political policy that affects all on the uneducated beliefs of the masses is stupid.

You know that's all of government right?

 

[ajvol01]

With a sales tax you can choose what you pay.

It's not the equitable unicorn you are chasing. But it's fair.

Do you mean by buying / trading w/ people instead of buying from retailers?

Or just choosing not to buy?

 

[LouderVol]

Do you mean by buying / trading w/ people instead of buying from retailers?

Or just choosing not to buy?

No you choose what you buy. Where you buy and when you buy.

 

[thehill98]

I may have missed it, but was this a 17% on top of state sales tax, or including it. I’ve always been intrigued by this approach, but no doubt I think there would be many unintended consequences.

 

[LouderVol]

I may have missed it, but was this a 17% on top of state sales tax, or including it. I’ve always been intrigued by this approach, but no doubt I think there would be many unintended consequences.

That comes with change

 

[Roustabout]

Can you elaborate? Since the wealthiest spend the most how would this help them? You’d still have local property taxes and the tax massive shelters and write offs would instantly go away.

@lawgator1

 

[luthervol]

I can appreciate the sentiment. To your credit, you are consistent.

Since it appears we are moving past the "negligible" tangent without mentioning the fact we are moving on, I am happy to discuss the 'equitable' angle you brought up previously and again in this post.

I like equitable tax policy. Because the root word is equal. We should all pay an equal share of taxes because we all are responsible for an equal share of governance, defense, common welfare, etc. The most equitable system is to divide the total budget by the number of able-bodied adults of voting age. Each person is responsible for that amount. A head tax is the most equitable tax system of all.

I'm afraid that you may not be joking.

It's kind of like tithing in a church.

The story of the widow's mite describes a widow who gives two small copper coins to the temple treasury. Jesus witnesses this offering and describes how great her gift is, because it represents a greater proportion of her wealth than the larger gifts of other religious leaders.

 

[ajvol01]

No you choose what you buy. Where you buy and when you buy.

We already do that.

Are you suggesting (for example) that Tennesseans would buy more across state lines due to our already high state sales tax if a federal sales tax was passed?

 

[LouderVol]

We already do that.

Are you suggesting (for example) that Tennesseans would buy more across state lines due to our already high state sales tax if a federal sales tax was passed?

No I am saying because we control what we buy we control how much taxes we pay. Which puts the control in people's hands, including the poor, and not the governments.

With a federal sales tax you wont be able to avoid it.

 

[rekinhavoc]

I say we cut the pay of politicians because I don't believe they're doing much to "earn" it.

How 'bout their salary is equal to the average household income? Still helluva of a part time job. Yes folks being a congressman or senator is supposed to be a part time gig.

 

[hog88]

Gee IDK how bout the entire tax code being rewritten entirely for their benefit.

So in other words “I have no ****ing clue“.

 

[Arclight]

Never going to happen. ZZzzz

 

[Orangeslice13]

The leftist like the current tax system because they can reward and punish behavior with the tax code. A national sales tax is about generating revenue to pay bills. And neither Democrats or Republicans are worried about paying bills. Why should they be when they can just print money.

At this point we’d be better off if we did away with taxes all together and printed a percentage of GDP every year to run the government and make a controlled inflation the tax. But again you’d need a balanced budget for that.

 

[happy-go_vol]

the fed gov isnt going to make any tax system fair. Thats fact. Next year if/when Biden is elected, our taxes will sky rocket. They're not going to reform to make it easier or less of a burden. Why do you guys think that?

 

[C-south]

I'm afraid that you may not be joking.

It's kind of like tithing in a church.

The story of the widow's mite describes a widow who gives two small copper coins to the temple treasury. Jesus witnesses this offering and describes how great her gift is, because it represents a greater proportion of her wealth than the larger gifts of other religious leaders.

Did Jesus give her 4 copper coins at the end of the year after she filed her taxes?

 

[DancingOutlaw]

I'm afraid that you may not be joking.

It's kind of like tithing in a church.

The story of the widow's mite describes a widow who gives two small copper coins to the temple treasury. Jesus witnesses this offering and describes how great her gift is, because it represents a greater proportion of her wealth than the larger gifts of other religious leaders.

So in a country where half pay no taxes the wealthy are the righteous widows who give a greater share. I feel better about myself already.

 

[luthervol]

So in a country where half pay no taxes the wealthy are the righteous widows who give a greater share. I feel better about myself already.

There is no one who pays no taxes.

 

[luthervol]

Did Jesus give her 4 copper coins at the end of the year after she filed her taxes?

I'm guessing Jesus's expectation was that the more fortunate members of the temple would look after her.

 

[happy-go_vol]

I'm afraid that you may not be joking.

It's kind of like tithing in a church.

The story of the widow's mite describes a widow who gives two small copper coins to the temple treasury. Jesus witnesses this offering and describes how great her gift is, because it represents a greater proportion of her wealth than the larger gifts of other religious leaders.

No, not accurate. It was her humble, true faith that recognized. Interesting enough she gaved because of wrong teachings from the religious leaders.

 

[McDad]

I'm afraid that you may not be joking.

It's kind of like tithing in a church.

The story of the widow's mite describes a widow who gives two small copper coins to the temple treasury. Jesus witnesses this offering and describes how great her gift is, because it represents a greater proportion of her wealth than the larger gifts of other religious leaders.

Avoiding the error in your post NOT separating church and state, it is nothing like tithing.

Tithing is a choice by adoption of that particular faith. Taxation is compulsory.

Tithing is not solely based on income. Income tax is.

Tithing is not based on spending. Sales taxes are.

Tithing is a private sector activity. Taxation is a public sector activity.

In the parable, the poor widow contributes to the collection. In public society, the poor are taking from the collection.

Rich and poor pay the same for a gallon of gas (with the associated state and federal tax, btw), the same for a pizza, the same toll on a toll road, the same for public transportation, the same for court fees, the same for entrance to a state park, the same for car tags, the same tax on cell phone plans, the same for utilities.

But for some inexplicable reason, you are making a case based on feelz for the concept they should pay different taxes to the government. Furthermore you're so married to the notion, all other ideas are dead in the water. It's fascinating. The assumed morality you weild on this topic is odd. But the bandwidth is very narrow on your concept. Everyone can't have low taxes because some MUST pay more.

I like to keep it simple. Everyone should pay the lowest tax possible and every politician should spend not one penny more.

Thank you for this opportunity you provided for me to be brilliant.

 

[hog88]

#defundthegovernment

 

[luthervol]

Avoiding the error in your post NOT separating church and state, it is nothing like tithing.

Tithing is a choice by adoption of that particular faith. Taxation is compulsory.

Tithing is not solely based on income. Income tax is.

Tithing is not based on spending. Sales taxes are.

Tithing is a private sector activity. Taxation is a public sector activity.

In the parable, the poor widow contributes to the collection. In public society, the poor are taking from the collection.

Rich and poor pay the same for a gallon of gas (with the associated state and federal tax, btw), the same for a pizza, the same toll on a toll road, the same for public transportation, the same for court fees, the same for entrance to a state park, the same for car tags, the same tax on cell phone plans, the same for utilities.

But for some inexplicable reason, you are making a case based on feelz for the concept they should pay different taxes to the government. Furthermore you're so married to the notion, all other ideas are dead in the water. It's fascinating. The assumed morality you weild on this topic is odd. But the bandwidth is very narrow on your concept. Everyone can't have low taxes because some MUST pay more.

I like to keep it simple. Everyone should pay the lowest tax possible and every politician should spend not one penny more.

Thank you for this opportunity you provided for me to be brilliant.

The reason is hardly inexplicable and is no more based on feelz than your opinion that everyone should pay an equal tax is based on feelz. You feelz one way, I feelz another.

I'm for an equitable sharing of the burden. It's a relatively straight forward concept.