National Sales Tax Replacing Income Tax

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luthervol said:
Child deductions are manipulations, as are charitable deduction.....careful on that slippery slope.
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I am fine getting rid of all of them. As long as it's done equally. If person X can have said deduction A thru Z should. If X cant get a deduction, A thru Z shouldnt either.
 
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luthervol said:
Not sure what you're smoking, but I'll take some.

I'm for an equitable sharing of the burden, pure and simple. Outcomes will never be equitable. That's a big reason why burden sharing should be. Say whatever you wish, but it doesn't change that fact.
And who said anything about taxation being used to manipulate society?
My ideas will not only not be defeated, they are your future.

Take a couple more tokes and do a little deep breathing.
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No you re not. You re for wealth redistribution through a tax code since you can't prevent some from being successful to the level you desire.
The politics of taxes is absolutely used to manipulate society. Its used to pit groups of people against each other, mainly for a voting base, and not to lift someone up using anothers wealth.

The bold is absolutely true. Not all people desire to put into the process that results into the outcome equally either.
 
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luthervol said:
No exemptions: Everyone files single.
2% 1 - 25k
5% 25+ - 50
10% 50+ - 100
13% 100+ - 200
15% 200+ - 300
17% 300+ - 400
20% 400+ - 500
25% 500+ - 1 m
30% 1 m+ - 5 m
35% 5 m+ - 20 m
40% 20 m+ - 100 m
45% 100 m+ - 1 b
50% 1 b+
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Pros: everyone pays something. Lower rates than current system.
Cons: there is no equity (equally shared burden) in your plan; which is your theme.

Consider the poor sap who makes $295k per year and gets a 6k Christmas bonus. He nets less than the lady earning $299k a year. He wonders what the phrase equally shared burden means.
 
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McDad said:
Pros: everyone pays something. Lower rates than current system.
Cons: there is no equity (equally shared burden) in your plan; which is your theme.

Consider the poor sap who makes $295k per year and gets a 6k Christmas bonus. He nets less than the lady earning $299k a year. He wonders what the phrase equally shared burden means.
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He only pays the increased rate for the portion that is over 300k.
Everyone pays the exact same tax on the first 25k they make. 2%
Everyone pays the exact same tax on the next 25k they make. 5%
Everyone pays the exact same on the next 50k they make. 10%
Everyone pays the exact same on the next 100k they make. 13%
......and so on.
The poor sap who makes 299k and gets a 6k bonus will be fine. He'll have no reason to whine, but probably will anyway.
 
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luthervol said:
He only pays the increased rate for the portion that is over 300k.
Everyone pays the exact same tax on the first 25k they make. 2%
Everyone pays the exact same tax on the next 25k they make. 5%
Everyone pays the exact same on the next 50k they make. 10%
Everyone pays the exact same on the next 100k they make. 13%
......and so on.
The poor sap who makes 299k and gets a 6k bonus will be fine. He'll have no reason to whine, but probably will anyway.
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Good.
 
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luthervol said:
In a perfect scenario (society), government wouldn't need to stop in. Government fills in the gaps where society fails.
It's society's self designed safety net.
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Explain to us exactly how government assistance has “helped” since LBJ’s Great Society was introduced.

Be honest.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Explain to us exactly how government assistance has “helped” since LBJ’s Great Society was introduced.

Be honest.
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It's fed people who otherwise would have gone hungry. It's put a roof over the heads of children who otherwise would have been homeless. It's provided job training and placement to people who otherwise would have remained unemployed.
 
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luthervol said:
It's fed people who otherwise would have gone hungry. It's put a roof over the heads of children who otherwise would have been homeless. It's provided job training and placement to people who otherwise would have remained unemployed.
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Prior to LBjs great society people managed to feed and house their kids, get jobs and live their lives. Hunger and sleeping indoors are great motivators, handouts are not.
 
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luthervol said:
It's fed people who otherwise would have gone hungry. It's put a roof over the heads of children who otherwise would have been homeless. It's provided job training and placement to people who otherwise would have remained unemployed.
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You’re either dishonest or embarrassingly ignorant.

It’s a proven failure and has created generational poverty and dependency on government assistance.

You should read Thomas Sowell.

A Legacy of Liberalism | National Review
 
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hog88 said:
Prior to LBjs great society people managed to feed and house their kids, get jobs and live their lives. Hunger and sleeping indoors are great motivators, handouts are not.
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Most people did, but not all. Just as most do now, but not all.
 
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ajvol01 said:
You’re either dishonest or embarrassingly ignorant.

It’s a proven failure and has created generational poverty and dependency on government assistance.

You should read Thomas Sowell.

A Legacy of Liberalism | National Review
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You asked me to "Explain to us exactly how government assistance has “helped” since LBJ’s Great Society was introduced."

And then was petty enough to add in the insulting "Be honest" nonsense.

My response did just that.
You might want to work on asking a better question if there is a specific answer you are trying to elicit.
 
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McDad said:
Pros: everyone pays something. Lower rates than current system.
Cons: there is no equity (equally shared burden) in your plan; which is your theme.

Consider the poor sap who makes $295k per year and gets a 6k Christmas bonus. He nets less than the lady earning $299k a year. He wonders what the phrase equally shared burden means.
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Everyone would be moving to Florida and Texas in even larger droves than they already are.
 
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luthervol said:
He only pays the increased rate for the portion that is over 300k.
Everyone pays the exact same tax on the first 25k they make. 2%
Everyone pays the exact same tax on the next 25k they make. 5%
Everyone pays the exact same on the next 50k they make. 10%
Everyone pays the exact same on the next 100k they make. 13%
......and so on.
The poor sap who makes 299k and gets a 6k bonus will be fine. He'll have no reason to whine, but probably will anyway.
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No he won’t.
He’ll itemize his way down to 50k income
 
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luthervol said:
You asked me to "Explain to us exactly how government assistance has “helped” since LBJ’s Great Society was introduced."

And then was petty enough to add in the insulting "Be honest" nonsense.

My response did just that.
You might want to work on asking a better question if there is a specific answer you are trying to elicit.
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You’re consistent in your dishonesty here. You repeatedly submit your opinion as fact and ignore any evidence to the contrary.

Your opinion of Trump is a perfect example. You’ve painted him as literally the worst of the worst. It’s comical.

How could anyone here expect an honest answer from you with your posting history?
 
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How about we Tax less and spend less. How about we cut the BS over spending that has plagued this country for the better part of 100 years
 
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luthervol said:
No deductions no itemization.
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That will never happen for the same reason the sales tax will not. the government still wants to reward and punish with the tax code.
Plus the rich don’t have income. They have gains and loses in the market or dividend payments. Will you refund the same percentage on loss?
 
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