National Title Game Next Saturday Night.

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compare the brackets on paper if UT was in dukes bracket they would have been at worst a 3 seed kansas bracket was loaded man duke was handed the title
 
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Still dont see the logic...They beat the PAC-10 champion (although thats not saying a ton this year), a Purdue team who beat a good Siena/ Texas A&M (and yes I know Purdue was short handed), then they beat a very good Baylor team, and WVU who had a very good team.
 
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The regional final game and the National title game were basically both road games. Check that, the National Title game was a road game. It's ridiculous that people think Duke was given the title.
 
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Vols4life said:
compare the brackets on paper if UT was in dukes bracket they would have been at worst a 3 seed kansas bracket was loaded man duke was handed the title
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It may have been loaded but that's not an excuse when you lose to freaking Northern Iowa...they didn't even play any of the good teams in their bracket
 
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Duke had an easy road, but you can't fault Duke for that. They still had to win the games, and they did. It's the Selection Committee that is a joke.
 
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Michigan State had an easier road to the Final Four than Duke did...and if you add up all the seeds, West Virginia did too, though their Elite Eight game was harder than Duke's was...Duke doesn't really need to be compared to WVU though since they played and won by 21 points anyway
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
The regional final game and the National title game were basically both road games. Check that, the National Title game was a road game. It's ridiculous that people think Duke was given the title.
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I would not expect a resident of Durham to believe Duke received any favoritism with the Selection Commitee. Even though many sports analysts and experts have stated as much.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
I would not expect a resident of Durham to believe Duke received any favoritism with the Selection Commitee. Even though many sports analysts and experts have stated as much.
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Why are you still talking about the Selection Committee?

The tourney is over.

We don't have to speculate anymore. We know what happened. Dukes road wasn't easier than anoyone, with the exception of Butler.

However Butler was a 5, so that is to be expected.
 
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SaintBruce said:
Why are you still talking about the Selection Committee?

The tourney is over.

We don't have to speculate anymore. We know what happened. Dukes road wasn't easier than anoyone, with the exception of Butler.

However Butler was a 5, so that is to be expected.
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Better question is "Why are you still talking?"

You are dangerously close to having MikeHamiltonFan status on this board.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
Better question is "Why are you still talking?"

You are dangerously close to having MikeHamiltonFan status on this board.
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You haven't followed along very well if you still think I care bout what you think of me or what "status" I have.

That said, you are dead wrong about this which is why you are resorting to pathetic personal attacks.
 
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SaintBruce said:
You haven't followed along very well if you still think I care bout what you think of me or what "status" I have.

That said, you are dead wrong about this which is why you are resorting to pathetic personal attacks.
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Personal Attack? I simply am suggesting that you do everyone a favor and quit talking. I frankly would rather be constipated than to care what you think.

I'm all for open discussion, whether your opinion agrees with mine or not. You on the other hand are quick to fire at anyone who has a different opinion than yours. Sound familiar?

Hmm...who does that sound like? Someone you frequently criticize for doing the same. You may want to turn around - you are in the same boat.

Lastly: What exactly am I dead wrong on? And please provide proof. Thanks.
 
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VKAman said:
It may have been loaded but that's not an excuse when you lose to freaking Northern Iowa...they didn't even play any of the good teams in their bracket
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This.

Kansas has no excuse. Zero.

It may not have been fair to stick them in a bracket with Michigan State as a 5 seed and Tennessee as a 6, among other teams, but Kansas lost to a 9 seed! They were behind the whole game, cut it to one, and let a guy who wasn't recruited by any other D-1 school beat them with an uncontested three. Tough.

As for Kenturkey, they might have beaten West Virginia if they'd taken time to prepare for the game instead of worrying about how many zeroes would be on their NBA contracts. Again, no excuse.
 
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VKAman said:
Honestly, that post in particular made a lot of sense...you just avoided it
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Funny how residents of Durham seem to come together when someone posts anything against Duke.

I never stated that post didn't make sense. People are talking about the tourney, although the tourney is over, but someone decides to try and call me out for doing the same simply because I brought up precious Duke.

I am not avoiding anything. Thanks though! Enjoy your Wednesday.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
Funny how residents of Durham seem to come together when someone posts anything against Duke.

I never stated that post didn't make sense. People are talking about the tourney, although the tourney is over, but someone decides to try and call me out for doing the same simply because I brought up precious Duke.

I am not avoiding anything. Thanks though! Enjoy your Wednesday.
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You still have nothing to say to the point that at least one and probably two of the other three Final Four teams had easier roads to get there than Duke did...it's not like anyone is making that up out of personal bias...it's a fact...
 
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VKAman said:
You still have nothing to say to the point that at least one and probably two of the other three Final Four teams had easier roads to get there than Duke did...it's not like anyone is making that up out of personal bias...it's a fact...
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The other 3 teams in the Final Four had to pull an upset or two to even make it. Granted, West VA only had to upset Kentucky, which many considered the best team in the tournament. Michigan state could be argued to have had an easy road, but that is solely based on the fact of other teams pulling the upsets. However, they had to beat a giant killer in Northern Iowa and then a rugged match against a Tennessee team peaking at the right time. Duke's toughest opponent was a Purdue team who was simply not the same without Hummel.

When the brackets were announce,d sports experts across the country were blasting the selection committee, not for the seeding, but rather for the actual bracketing. Primarily Duke and what appeared to be favoritism.

Even posters on this board were immediately shocked at the bracket handed to Duke. Had Duke been in a bracket with any team that had decent 3-point defense, who knows how the Final Four would have ended up. Look what happened when they played a team with decent defense. (Butler). It was a game they likely should have and nearly did lose.

Does this fit yours and/or saintbruce's definition of responding to your post? That is my argument for my said post. And in this discussion you can hardly state "It's fact" as you did.

I would be willing to bet Duke will be essentially screwed next year in the bracket due to the NCAA Selection Committee getting so much negative press and flack on this year's bracket.

This time next year, prepare to hear all the Dookies whining and crying about how they were screwed.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
Michigan state could be argued to have had an easy road
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Yes. This man. We know what the experts were speculating on selection sunday, I'm pretty sure everyone was watching.

However, what the experts speculated, and what actually happened are entirely different things. Which is why there is no reason to bring up the Selection Committee anymore.

Michigan State had the easiest road to the Final Four, and honestly it isn't even close.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
The other 3 teams in the Final Four had to pull an upset or two to even make it. Granted, West VA only had to upset Kentucky, which many considered the best team in the tournament. Michigan state could be argued to have had an easy road, but that is solely based on the fact of other teams pulling the upsets. However, they had to beat a giant killer in Northern Iowa and then a rugged match against a Tennessee team peaking at the right time. Duke's toughest opponent was a Purdue team who was simply not the same without Hummel.
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This is a joke. Michigan State played a 9 seed and a 6 seed. Put them or any of the other teams you mentioned up against Baylor in Houston and they don't get to the Final Four. That Baylor team is way better than you think, especially when they're essentially at home. Duke beat Purdue by 13...

When the brackets were announce,d sports experts across the country were blasting the selection committee, not for the seeding, but rather for the actual bracketing. Primarily Duke and what appeared to be favoritism.
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Because Kansas would have had to play Ohio State or Georgetown while Kentucky would have to play Wisconsin and WVU. But what happened? Kansas lost to a 9 seed, which is their own damn fault and has nothing to do with the bracket; and even if they had won, since the 2 and 3 both lost anyway, they would play a 5 and a 6 and have a much easier road than Duke regardless. Kentucky did lose to WVU, who promptly got stomped by Duke. Syracuse lost to Butler, who Duke also beat and Syracuse probably should have beaten too. The "tough road" for all the other #1 seeds got much easier than it should have been, and they just ended up choking.

Even posters on this board were immediately shocked at the bracket handed to Duke. Had Duke been in a bracket with any team that had decent 3-point defense, who knows how the Final Four would have ended up. Look what happened when they played a team with decent defense. (Butler). It was a game they likely should have and nearly did lose.
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I was surprised too, but it's an outdated concern that really had no effect on the tournament. Kansas and Syracuse didn't lose to the good teams the Committee "screwed them" with. They lost to a 9 seed and a 5.

Butler's 3-point defense (31.7%) is right between Cal's (31.5) and WVU's (32.4). This isn't 2009 Duke, if that's what you're suggesting. This team murdered people on the boards whether they were making 3s or not...and how the hell should they have lost when they led pretty much the entire game?

Does this fit yours and/or saintbruce's definition of responding to your post? That is my argument for my said post. And in this discussion you can hardly state "It's fact" as you did.

I would be willing to bet Duke will be essentially screwed next year in the bracket due to the NCAA Selection Committee getting so much negative press and flack on this year's bracket.

This time next year, prepare to hear all the Dookies whining and crying about how they were screwed.
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If anything, the committee was vindicated; we heard all along how Duke didn't deserve a #1 seed at 29-5 with a conference championship, while WVU (27-6) did. And then Duke is the last #1 standing. And then they beat WVU by 21 points. The Committee got blasted for overrating Duke, and then Duke won the national championship. If anything, that makes them look right...
 
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VKAman said:
This is a joke. Michigan State played a 9 seed and a 6 seed. Put them or any of the other teams you mentioned up against Baylor in Houston and they don't get to the Final Four. That Baylor team is way better than you think, especially when they're essentially at home. Duke beat Purdue by 13...



Because Kansas would have had to play Ohio State or Georgetown while Kentucky would have to play Wisconsin and WVU. But what happened? Kansas lost to a 9 seed, which is their own damn fault and has nothing to do with the bracket; and even if they had won, since the 2 and 3 both lost anyway, they would play a 5 and a 6 and have a much easier road than Duke regardless. Kentucky did lose to WVU, who promptly got stomped by Duke. Syracuse lost to Butler, who Duke also beat and Syracuse probably should have beaten too. The "tough road" for all the other #1 seeds got much easier than it should have been, and they just ended up choking.



I was surprised too, but it's an outdated concern that really had no effect on the tournament. Kansas and Syracuse didn't lose to the good teams the Committee "screwed them" with. They lost to a 9 seed and a 5.

Butler's 3-point defense (31.7%) is right between Cal's (31.5) and WVU's (32.4). This isn't 2009 Duke, if that's what you're suggesting. This team murdered people on the boards whether they were making 3s or not...and how the hell should they have lost when they led pretty much the entire game?



If anything, the committee was vindicated; we heard all along how Duke didn't deserve a #1 seed at 29-5 with a conference championship, while WVU (27-6) did. And then Duke is the last #1 standing. And then they beat WVU by 21 points. The Committee got blasted for overrating Duke, and then Duke won the national championship. If anything, that makes them look right...
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I'm more referring to when the committee handed out the brackets. The Committee, much like you and I, had no idea that Kansas would choke, as would Syracuse. They had no idea Georgetown would lose in the first round. They had no idea Kentucky would shoot 3's like a one-armed blind kid against West Virginia. When the bracket was released, Duke had an easier path. That is about as close to fact as you can get in this discussion.

Did Michigan State have a relatively easy road? Yes. Was it intended that way? NOPE.
Did Duke have an easier road than the other Number ones? on paper, absolutely. Was it intended that way? Hard to argue it wasn't.

You can also say that the tougher brackets for the other 3 Number Ones could in part lend a reason why they lost. It does not prove the Committee was right on anything. I've never argued the seeding of Duke. In fact, I heard more complaints and criticism over the bracket Duke was in instead of their seeding. The bracket is what I am discussing, not whether they deserved a number 1 ranking.
 
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SaintBruce said:
This. Also playing Butler at home. Duke was the best team in the tourney this year.
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I agree that Duke is better than Butler. However, most experts picked Duke to blow out Butler.
Butler was severely undermanned against Duke and still nearly won playing fundamental basketball.

Simply because they won, I would not say they were the "best" team in the tournament.

As to your previous post about disliking duke. . . you may be right, but it's very hard for me to imagine anyone disliking duke more than I do. duke basketball=bammer football.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
When the bracket was released, Duke had an easier path. That is about as close to fact as you can get in this discussion.
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I would agree with this. Outside of the Baylor game in Houston, Duke had a pretty easy road when the brackets were released.

I'm still not sure why it matters though??

What point are you trying to make? Duke didn't deserve to win the title?
 
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SaintBruce said:
I would agree with this. Outside of the Baylor game in Houston, Duke had a pretty easy road when the brackets were released.

I'm still not sure why it matters though??

What point are you trying to make? Duke didn't deserve to win the title?
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Just discussion. That's all. It appears the NSC tried to ensure an "easier" road to the final four for Duke. Its the NCAA's golden child.

PS: I don't think Duke ever deserves to win anything. Thats why when things like this arise, it is extremely irritating to see the favoritism shown.

And it doesn't matter.....just utilizing the message board to share my views and opinions.
 
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