NBA Coaches who move to College

#26
#26
MikeHamiltonFan said:
They can always recruit incredibly well and get whoever they want.

I mean look at Caliapari and Pitino!

Jeff Bzdelik
Sidney Lowe
and
Tim Floyd
all say HI.


By the way, Georgia Tech could do lots worse than Mike Woodson.
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Silly post, but
NBA coaching records (in order of win ratio):

6. Sidney Lowe: 79-228 (.257 win ratio)
5. Tim Floyd: 93-235 (.280) + 3-4 playoff record
4. Jeff Bzdelik: 73-119 (.380) + 1-4 playoff record
3. John Calipari: 72-112 (.391) + 0-3
2. Rick Pitino: 192-220 (.466) + 6-7
1. Lawrence Frank: 225-241 (.483) + 18-20 playoffs

By what numeric standard would you not assess Frank as a high-quality coach?
 
#27
#27
globadoc said:
Silly post, but
NBA coaching records (in order of win ratio):

6. Sidney Lowe: 79-228 (.257 win ratio)
5. Tim Floyd: 93-235 (.280) + 3-4 playoff record
4. Jeff Bzdelik: 73-119 (.380) + 1-4 playoff record
3. John Calipari: 72-112 (.391) + 0-3
2. Rick Pitino: 192-220 (.466) + 6-7
1. Lawrence Frank: 225-241 (.483) + 18-20 playoffs

By what numeric standard would you not assess Frank as a high-quality coach?
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Oh ****
 
#28
#28
globadoc said:
Silly post, but
NBA coaching records (in order of win ratio):

6. Sidney Lowe: 79-228 (.257 win ratio)
5. Tim Floyd: 93-235 (.280) + 3-4 playoff record
4. Jeff Bzdelik: 73-119 (.380) + 1-4 playoff record
3. John Calipari: 72-112 (.391) + 0-3
2. Rick Pitino: 192-220 (.466) + 6-7
1. Lawrence Frank: 225-241 (.483) + 18-20 playoffs

By what numeric standard would you not assess Frank as a high-quality coach?
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Height?
 
#29
#29
Lawrence Frank career in the NBA does not mean he could get top quality recruits at TN.

People who lobby for a fired NBA coach as head coach here, point to Pitino and Calipari to say if you coached in the NBA you can automatically get studs when you go to college. It is just not true.

Calipari has Worldwide Wes.
Pitino is a scumbag and horrible person, but for most of his career people knew he was one of the best recruiters ever.

Yet there are guys who coached in the NBA who are currently in D1 basketball coaching who were outrecruited by Bruce Pearl in recent history.

Lawrence Frank is nowhere near the guaranteed home run that people are making him out to be.
 
#30
#30
MikeHamiltonFan said:
They can always recruit incredibly well and get whoever they want.

I mean look at Caliapari and Pitino!

Jeff Bzdelik
Sidney Lowe
and
Tim Floyd
all say HI.


By the way, Georgia Tech could do lots worse than Mike Woodson.
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If a high school kid Googles Lawerence Frank these are some of the images he and his family will see...

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Yeah...he couldn't get any of those pro's to listen to him....why would any elite kids want to come to Tennessee with that experience and U.T's facilities to boot....only bum stinking high school players would show up here for us :birgits_giggle:
 
#31
#31
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Lawrence Frank career in the NBA does not mean he could get top quality recruits at TN.

People who lobby for a fired NBA coach as head coach here, point to Pitino and Calipari to say if you coached in the NBA you can automatically get studs when you go to college. It is just not true.

Calipari has Worldwide Wes.
Pitino is a scumbag and horrible person, but for most of his career people knew he was one of the best recruiters ever.

Yet there are guys who coached in the NBA who are currently in D1 basketball coaching who were outrecruited by Bruce Pearl in recent history.

Lawrence Frank is nowhere near the guaranteed home run that people are making him out to be.
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No coach is a homerun. What do you think the cons are for Frank?
 
#32
#32
Kurt Rambis and Keith Smart are not afraid of being replaced by Lawrence Frank because he took Byron Scott's team and regressed with it.

People continue to want to laud a guy who inherited a gold medal winner for winning silver a few times and then dropping out of the medals completely before getting canned.
 
#34
#34
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Lawrence Frank is nowhere near the guaranteed home run that people are making him out to be.
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I don't think LF is a guaranteed home run, but neither is Lon Kruger, Shaka Smart, Greg Marshall, Chris Mooney, or Anthony Grant. The point is that he has at least as much chance as any of them
 
#35
#35
I love how MHF will start a thread and then completely ignore all of the valid points and questions people raise, instead throwing out a bunch of random inflammatory statements so that hopefully everyone will forget how wrong he is.
 
#39
#39
I find it funny that he says because Frank was a failure in the NBA, that he won't succeed here. But I'm looking at Lon Kruger's pro record and saying "YIKES"!
 
#40
#40
globadoc said:
Silly post, but
NBA coaching records (in order of win ratio):

6. Sidney Lowe: 79-228 (.257 win ratio)
5. Tim Floyd: 93-235 (.280) + 3-4 playoff record
4. Jeff Bzdelik: 73-119 (.380) + 1-4 playoff record
3. John Calipari: 72-112 (.391) + 0-3
2. Rick Pitino: 192-220 (.466) + 6-7
1. Lawrence Frank: 225-241 (.483) + 18-20 playoffs

By what numeric standard would you not assess Frank as a high-quality coach?
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why you gotta bring all these facts into the discussion? MHF won't even respond to this, lol.
 
#41
#41
DERELICK_MY_VOLS said:
If a high school kid Googles Lawerence Frank these are some of the images he and his family will see...

lawrence-frank-doc-rivers-boston-celtics-500x215.jpg


439x.jpg


boston-celtics-v-new-york-knicks.jpeg


devin-harris-lawrence-frank-nuggets-nets-7a14d37bc977fdfb_large.jpg


lawrence+frank+nets.jpg


81355340.jpg


Yeah...he couldn't get any of those pro's to listen to him....why would any elite kids want to come to Tennessee with that experience and U.T's facilities to boot....only bum stinking high school players would show up here for us :birgits_giggle:
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So you are saying kids will see that he is short and bald and question his coaching ability? Guess I better never consider coaching
 
#43
#43
Truth said:
No coach is a homerun. What do you think the cons are for Frank?
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I have posted this a few times but here goes.

1. Frank is eerily reminiscent to me of O'Neill. Many on this board love O'Neill. I could not be further in the other camp. I hated watching him. Hated listening to him. Hated his results. Frank's time at UT was here under him. They remain close.

2. Frank is a guy whose dominant coaching mode is anger. He learned it from RMK who is one of the greatest coaches of all time. RMK learned eventually that it was hard to continue recruiting stud talent even when you are one of the greatest coaches of all time because you have to compete against guys who do not dog cuss their players every practice and every game.

3. I do not think Frank will be able to excel in recruiting. Yeah he has NBA experience and that is definitely a plus, but he is a tiny little guy who was not a great basketball player and he is not culturally a fit. He is not someone who grandmothers will trust to guide their baby. Doc Rivers actually joked about this when asked how Frank would be as a head coach.

4. I do not think anyone has given me reason to believe he is the squeaky cleanest guy at the NCAA level.

5. I do not think he proved that he is a great coach in terms of what he did with the talent he had at New Jersey. People need to quit defending him based on the ownership change and the gutting of the roster, and start looking at why he lost with super talent. If you look at Bruce Pearl at UT, he found ways to beat teams with lots more talent. Texas, Ohio State, Kansas, Memphis etc you can fill in the blank with your memories. Yes this year we lost to teams with inferior talent (Charlotte being the most painful example) but I think you know what I mean overall. I am concerned that unlike a Brad Stevens, all I have seen from Frank's coaching is that when he is outclassed in terms of personnel, he gets his butt kicked.
Even if he is TONS better as a recruiter than I think he is, he will have to beat teams with more talent (like UK) if he hopes to win the SEC, and take us further in the NCAAs than Bruce Pearl (Final 4).
 
#44
#44
Just because Frank came up under O'Neil doesn't mean he has the same personality. I went back and watched some of Frank's interviews on Youtube and he doesn't seem anything like KO.
 
#45
#45
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Kurt Rambis and Keith Smart are not afraid of being replaced by Lawrence Frank because he took Byron Scott's team and regressed with it.

People continue to want to laud a guy who inherited a gold medal winner for winning silver a few times and then dropping out of the medals completely before getting canned.
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I don't buy that argument. I'm not even a big fan of Frank, but he did well when he had good players. When Kidd got traded/ Jefferson got hurt, no one could have made that work. No matter who we get I hope we stay away from Byrd or anyone that has been a lifetime small program coach.

Also, You rarely if ever see a NBA team come playoff time, beat a team with more talent.
 
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#46
#46
MikeHamiltonFan said:
I have posted this a few times but here goes.

1. Frank is eerily reminiscent to me of O'Neill. Many on this board love O'Neill. I could not be further in the other camp. I hated watching him. Hated listening to him. Hated his results. Frank's time at UT was here under him. They remain close.

2. Frank is a guy whose dominant coaching mode is anger. He learned it from RMK who is one of the greatest coaches of all time. RMK learned eventually that it was hard to continue recruiting stud talent even when you are one of the greatest coaches of all time because you have to compete against guys who do not dog cuss their players every practice and every game.

3. I do not think Frank will be able to excel in recruiting. Yeah he has NBA experience and that is definitely a plus, but he is a tiny little guy who was not a great basketball player and he is not culturally a fit. He is not someone who grandmothers will trust to guide their baby. Doc Rivers actually joked about this when asked how Frank would be as a head coach.

4. I do not think anyone has given me reason to believe he is the squeaky cleanest guy at the NCAA level.

5. I do not think he proved that he is a great coach in terms of what he did with the talent he had at New Jersey. People need to quit defending him based on the ownership change and the gutting of the roster, and start looking at why he lost with super talent. If you look at Bruce Pearl at UT, he found ways to beat teams with lots more talent. Texas, Ohio State, Kansas, Memphis etc you can fill in the blank with your memories. Yes this year we lost to teams with inferior talent (Charlotte being the most painful example) but I think you know what I mean overall. I am concerned that unlike a Brad Stevens, all I have seen from Frank's coaching is that when he is outclassed in terms of personnel, he gets his butt kicked.
Even if he is TONS better as a recruiter than I think he is, he will have to beat teams with more talent (like UK) if he hopes to win the SEC, and take us further in the NCAAs than Bruce Pearl (Final 4).
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Yeah, Bruce did awesome when they had pressure on them :crazy:

And I love how somebody can't recruit because he's short and bald. Awesome. That's not stereotyping at all. Hey, I bet if we hired Shake Smart, he couldn't recruit guys who parents have money because he has too ghetto of a name /sarcasm.
 
#47
#47
Kruger is one of five coaches to take four different teams to the men's NCAA basketball tournament. In the process, he led the University of Florida to its first-ever Final Four appearance (1994).

Lawrence Frank...um....he was around a Marquette team that went to the Sweet 16! Hire him!

I guess it is fine to have to reiterate, but it is irritating when people pretend I havent responded to these exact points in other threads.

All of the other people mentioned who were NBA coaches inherited NOTHING like the unreal talent that fell in the lap of Frank.

The reason I mentioned them, is that they have not been able to automatically recruit the top players in the country just because they were in the NBA. Some of them have had to cheat.

By the way, the NCAA handling of Tim Floyd and Jim Calhoun and Lute Olson and Bruce Pearl continues to boggle the mind. Use agents to get players to come to your school, pay handlers to get players to come to your school, lie to the NCAA but continue to deny you lied but whatever you do, do not have a cookout, lie about it and then come clean.
 
#48
#48
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Kruger is one of five coaches to take four different teams to the men's NCAA basketball tournament. In the process, he led the University of Florida to its first-ever Final Four appearance (1994).

Lawrence Frank...um....he was around a Marquette team that went to the Sweet 16! Hire him!

I guess it is fine to have to reiterate, but it is irritating when people pretend I havent responded to these exact points in other threads.

All of the other people mentioned who were NBA coaches inherited NOTHING like the unreal talent that fell in the lap of Frank.

The reason I mentioned them, is that they have not been able to automatically recruit the top players in the country just because they were in the NBA. Some of them have had to cheat.

By the way, the NCAA handling of Tim Floyd and Jim Calhoun and Lute Olson and Bruce Pearl continues to boggle the mind. Use agents to get players to come to your school, pay handlers to get players to come to your school, lie to the NCAA but continue to deny you lied but whatever you do, do not have a cookout, lie about it and then come clean.
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How in the world is a past his prime Jason Kidd, Wince Carter (the softest "star" maybe ever) and decent Richard Jefferson a lot of talent? Someone explain this to me? He had Jason Collins as his starting center at one point. JASON COLLINS!!!!
 
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