NBC Affiliate Private Security Kills Trump Supporter

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I don’t know anything about this but if we have supporters shooting each other from opposite parties it’s time to reset and take a breath. The division in the country right now is insane.
 
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evillawyer said:
It's almost like mo guns don't make us mo safe. I just can't understand how making it easy for everyone to have a gun could lead to bad results.
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You're right. Statistically liberals shoot more people. I think on the background check we need to start listing political affiliation and then reject all democrats. Probably save a lot of lives.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
They are. It's a subsidiary of a larger security firm now.
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Well if there was one private security group that one needed plausible deniability for politicially motivated violent violence against US citizens in the states they would be the ones to hire.
 
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Look all we know is after our quick investigation is that there is no BLM/Antifa connection.
 
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C-south said:
Have they came out and unequivocally denounced this crime?
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Volnation conservatives when police kill a black man: "whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. Don't judge until all the facts are known."

Volnation conservatives days after a conservative protestor is killed and next to nothing is known: "where is the denunciation of this obvious crime?"
 
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lawgator1 said:
Volnation conservatives when police kill a black man: "whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. Don't judge until all the facts are known."

Volnation conservatives days after a conservative protestor is killed and next to nothing is known: "where is the denunciation of this obvious crime?"
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This VN conservative wants to see video/accounts of what led up to the shooting before offering an opinion

But this VN conservative is also wondering what the hell an unlicensed/unbonded individual is doing there and supposedly being supplied by Pinkerton under contract to the TV station. Something isn’t adding up.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
This VN conservative wants to see video/accounts of what led up to the shooting before offering an opinion

But this VN conservative is also wondering what the hell an unlicensed/unbonded individual is doing there and supposedly being supplied by Pinkerton under contract to the TV station. Something isn’t adding up.
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Ok but I'm not entirely sure what his status with Pinkerton has to do with it. He either reasonably feared bodily injury or death, or he didn't. The photo of the guy spraying mace at him, combined with reports that he was in face to face yelling matches at least creates a question as to whether the security guard might have had a genuine fear there.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ok but I'm not entirely sure what his status with Pinkerton has to do with it. He either reasonably feared bodily injury or death, or he didn't. The photo of the guy spraying mace at him, combined with reports that he was in face to face yelling matches at least creates a question as to whether the security guard might have had a genuine fear there.
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They are two separate issues. You’re a lawyer... right? Surely you could parse that and I even broke it into two separate paragraphs 🤷‍♂️

I don’t discount that he may have had reason to think he was in danger but we need more information. However if he was there in a professional capacity while not being accredited he most likely will face consequences for that act even if it was determined that he acted in self defense. Just like Rittenhouse likely is justified in self defense however clearly will face misdemeanor weapons charges.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
This VN conservative wants to see video/accounts of what led up to the shooting before offering an opinion

But this VN conservative is also wondering what the hell an unlicensed/unbonded individual is doing there and supposedly being supplied by Pinkerton under contract to the TV station. Something isn’t adding up.
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You're right, it's odd. From what I have read, the licensing requirement is municipal not state so that might be how it was missed, but that's pure speculation on my part.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ok but I'm not entirely sure what his status with Pinkerton has to do with it. He either reasonably feared bodily injury or death, or he didn't. The photo of the guy spraying mace at him, combined with reports that he was in face to face yelling matches at least creates a question as to whether the security guard might have had a genuine fear there.
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So if I'm walking down the street and a democrat/antifa/blm mob screams threats at me because I'm wearing a maga hat, and I have genuine fear, I'm ok to start shooting?
 
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I could possibly find a legitimate defense for the shooter, although it would be shaky.

If he was in fact a security guard, he could claim any incapacitation of his ability to secure his weapon would be a legitimate reason to use force. Bear spray to the eyes being the obvious impairment.
 
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GordonC said:
You asked the right question of the right person.
Lots of jailhouse law talk around here.
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I respect LG. I disagree with about everything he stands for, especially his football team but he takes a lot of grief here, mostly deserved, and he keeps on plowing forward without resorting to personal attacks and name calling.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So if I'm walking down the street and a democrat/antifa/blm mob screams threats at me because I'm wearing a maga hat, and I have genuine fear, I'm ok to start shooting?
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Depends on where you are. My understanding is that stand your ground laws don't always discount or ignore the role of the shooter/defendant in provoking the need for force. It may vary by location.

The theory is that you cannot provoke someone into an arguably combative posture so that you can justify shooting them. You generally have a duty to retreat when you safely can, and that is true in any self defense situation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Mine? Plugging along. 88 with COPD so no one is allowed within a half mile.
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Yes, your's.

Mines 82 with a degenerative lung condition. He's too hard to keep tied down. He said he'd rather live the last few years than stay couped up and live longer. Since mom passed in February he's wearing me out. 🤣
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I could possibly find a legitimate defense for the shooter, although it would be shaky.

If he was in fact a security guard, he could claim any incapacitation of his ability to secure his weapon would be a legitimate reason to use force. Bear spray to the eyes being the obvious impairment.
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I think some posters offered a similar justification for the shooting of the guy that fired a taser at police in Atlanta.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I think some posters offered a similar justification for the shooting of the guy that fired a taser at police in Atlanta.
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It’s reasonable. Although I think the guy should be put under the jail for the disproportionate use of force. Although... you play stupid games....
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I could possibly find a legitimate defense for the shooter, although it would be shaky.

If he was in fact a security guard, he could claim any incapacitation of his ability to secure his weapon would be a legitimate reason to use force. Bear spray to the eyes being the obvious impairment.
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Nope, this is very simple for "security" guards in the role of protective detail:

Don't get involved in **** and if **** is going down, GTFO with your charges. At least to a minimum distance where they can still do their job, but your primary and sole purpose in life was to protect that news crew and get them out of danger if it was coming towards them.

Did that shooting seem like he was protecting anyone?

I have this theory he wasn't there with any "news crew." Why did the "producer" get taken into custody immediately afterwards? Why has no footage from 9News been released of the incident leading up to the shooting? If a "producer" was right there when the shooting happened, the reporter and camera operator would have been there as well. With a very loud incident going down between two people, you damn well know the camera would be running even if for B roll footage.

Pinkerton has some pretty interesting questions to answer for certain over their choice of "security" they hire and send out. My question for the news station is not "why would you hire an unlicensed guard?" It's "what was that crew doing there and why were they not recording anything?"

No, I have this feeling the shooter and "producer" were out there on their own accord.
 
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