NBC Affiliate Private Security Kills Trump Supporter

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Nope, this is very simple for "security" guards in the role of protective detail:

Don't get involved in **** and if **** is going down, GTFO with your charges. At least to a minimum distance where they can still do their job, but your primary and sole purpose in life was to protect that news crew and get them out of danger if it was coming towards them.

Did that shooting seem like he was protecting anyone?

I have this theory he wasn't there with any "news crew." Why did the "producer" get taken into custody immediately afterwards? Why has no footage from 9News been released of the incident leading up to the shooting? If a "producer" was right there when the shooting happened, the reporter and camera operator would have been there as well. With a very loud incident going down between two people, you damn well know the camera would be running even if for B roll footage.

Pinkerton has some pretty interesting questions to answer for certain over their choice of "security" they hire and send out. My question for the news station is not "why would you hire an unlicensed guard?" It's "what was that crew doing there and why were they not recording anything?"

No, I have this feeling the shooter and "producer" were out there on their own accord.

Then there’s this.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Shortly after he was identified, past posts by Dolloff surfaced, showing that he was more overtly left-leaning politically, with posts talking about how a Trump Button was a “racist button” and calling the Trump administration a "fascist dictatorship."

Denver shooting victim identified as pro-cop vet, shot in front of son: family

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Nope, this is very simple for "security" guards in the role of protective detail:

Don't get involved in **** and if **** is going down, GTFO with your charges. At least to a minimum distance where they can still do their job, but your primary and sole purpose in life was to protect that news crew and get them out of danger if it was coming towards them.

Did that shooting seem like he was protecting anyone?

I have this theory he wasn't there with any "news crew." Why did the "producer" get taken into custody immediately afterwards? Why has no footage from 9News been released of the incident leading up to the shooting? If a "producer" was right there when the shooting happened, the reporter and camera operator would have been there as well. With a very loud incident going down between two people, you damn well know the camera would be running even if for B roll footage.

Pinkerton has some pretty interesting questions to answer for certain over their choice of "security" they hire and send out. My question for the news station is not "why would you hire an unlicensed guard?" It's "what was that crew doing there and why were they not recording anything?"

No, I have this feeling the shooter and "producer" were out there on their own accord.

I think you’re right on your last point.

 

[Grand Vol]

Then there’s this.
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Yeah, one doesn't get b!tch slapped like that without a good reason.

On your post above, it is curious why the station hasn't made a comment about that yet. If they were out there on their own, you would feel like they would have hung him out to dry by now. Unless they are being advised not to say anything yet by legal counsel or something.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Yeah, one doesn't get b!tch slapped like that without a good reason.

On your post above, it is curious why the station hasn't made a comment about that yet. If they were out there on their own, you would feel like they would have hung him out to dry by now. Unless they are being advised not to say anything yet by legal counsel or something.

Yup, you don’t bi*ch slap a guy like that without a very good reason. It will certainly be interesting to see how this shakes out.

It’s nice to have you back around btw.

 

[lawgator1]

Yes, your's.

Mines 82 with a degenerative lung condition. He's too hard to keep tied down. He said he'd rather live the last few years than stay couped up and live longer. Since mom passed in February he's wearing me out.

Mine's hearing is shot. But my Dad manages to keep it all going.

 

[joevol33]

The right wing war on truth and the media might have something to do with it. Why was some idiot spraying mace at them?

Hypocrisy. You guys cry lije little babies when one of your antifa heroes are literally attacking someone abd get shot, now you're gonna fuss only because of the politics of it. Hypocritical, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[lawgator1]

Yeah, one doesn't get b!tch slapped like that without a good reason.

On your post above, it is curious why the station hasn't made a comment about that yet. If they were out there on their own, you would feel like they would have hung him out to dry by now. Unless they are being advised not to say anything yet by legal counsel or something.

Liability.

Plus they will assert reporter privileges in any criminal or civil case and don't want to waive it.

 

[volfanhill]

Liability.

Plus they will assert reporter privileges in any criminal or civil case and don't want to waive it.

Yes. It doesn’t matter that they hired a third party company. They are about to get sued big time by the family of the deceased.

 

[clarksvol00]

I think you’re right on your last point.

Even if they were there of their own accord, would it matter in a self-defense argument? I assume they were legally on a public street. The reasonable fear that he was about to get maced and disarmed could still exist. I'm not defending the shooter or victim, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Even if they were there of their own accord, would it matter in a self-defense argument? I assume they were legally on a public street. The reasonable fear that he was about to get maced and disarmed could still exist. I'm not defending the shooter or victim, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

Seems LG answered that question above.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Depends on where you are. My understanding is that stand your ground laws don't always discount or ignore the role of the shooter/defendant in provoking the need for force. It may vary by location.

The theory is that you cannot provoke someone into an arguably combative posture so that you can justify shooting them. You generally have a duty to retreat when you safely can, and that is true in any self defense situation.

So you consider me wearing a maga hat is provoking?

 

[lawgator1]

So you consider me wearing a maga hat is provoking?

No.

But from what little we do know this fellow was doing a wee bit more than wearing a hat.

 

[InVOLuntary]

No.

But from what little we do know this fellow was doing a wee bit more than wearing a hat.

It was a trump rally, no? Maybe the antifa/notsecurity guard was the antagonist?

 

[Rickyvol77]

I think the lesson here is that there are way too many guns out there. Guns don't deescalate situations; they increase tensions and lead to unnecessary deaths.

Only when criminals use them

 

[Rickyvol77]

If the earlier link about this guy being affiliated with antifa/occupy movements are accurate, you'd think Pinkerton would have picked up on it before hiring him. Seems like a basic social media search would be a given for a company like that.

They hire cheap and don’t care about background checks

 

[C-south]

Yes. It doesn’t matter that they hired a third party company. They are about to get sued big time by the family of the deceased.

I’m not sure it was even a third party company but some random guy that’s not even any type of security guard.

 

[Grand Vol]

Liability.

Plus they will assert reporter privileges in any criminal or civil case and don't want to waive it.

I wouldn't be surprised if a civil suit against the station is summarily dismissed by a judge. If they signed a contract (if, mind you) in good faith with Pinkerton, it can't be held against them. That's on Pinkerton to make sure their staff are properly licensed for the jobs they are contracted for.

Again, none of this sounds right to me. I've never worked with Pinkerton, but Securitas (their parent company) tends to operate pretty strictly with state and local guidelines for licensing. Especially their armed services.

 

[Grand Vol]

Interesting...

 

[0nelilreb]

Interesting...

Not making a judgement either way without more info but I will on that slap .. the shooter got the sh!t slapped outta him . Sideways hat , glasses and head = Open palmed , straight up biotch slapped . Lol

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Would you feel safe if only the police (ie, the government) had guns?

Yes, she would.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Even if they were there of their own accord, would it matter in a self-defense argument? I assume they were legally on a public street. The reasonable fear that he was about to get maced and disarmed could still exist. I'm not defending the shooter or victim, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

The first question any prosecutor is going to ask to the self-defense argument is "Why didn't you run away?".

I have no idea about the specifics of any stand your ground laws in this case, but those laws usually have pretty specific criteria. Saying it is a tough sell when the guy is standing there arguing with him before he kills him is understatement of the year.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Sooner or later, the people on the extreme left and those on the extreme right are going to have to come to terms with the fact that they want us fighting each other over table scraps. We should not be fighting one another, or allowing the media or politicians to be pushing us into these conflicts.

That is a scary and sad video.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Yes, she would.

The police are committing genocide against minorities.
Also I think only the genocidal police should have guns.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The police are committing genocide against minorities.
Also I think only the genocidal police should have guns.

Yeah, it makes no sense.