NBC Affiliate Private Security Kills Trump Supporter

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hog88 said:
I don’t know. I think the guy is screwed.

My theory is the reporter or producer hired the guy under the guise of security but in reality they hired him as a provocateur to create a story and it got out of hand.
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Tucker just had a guy who was at the scene.... said the tv guy and the security thug had a third "blm" agitator who was calling some of the Black Patriots "house ******" and the tv crew and the thug followed the blm antifa arse-ho filming until they got the response they wanted. The witness said the tv guy, thug and blm agitator were all huddled up talking before this went down.
 
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StarRaider said:
Tucker just had a guy who was at the scene.... said the tv guy and the security thug had a third "blm" agitator who was calling some of the Black Patriots "house ******" and the tv crew and the thug followed the blm antifa arse-ho filming until they got the response they wanted. The witness said the tv guy, thug and blm agitator were all huddled up talking before this went down.
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When I'm looking for the truth, I go for Tucker Carlson

Fun fact: You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Lots of speculation going on about those photos and what they show. A good prosecutor or defense attorney will be able to spin them either way. I wonder how long it will be before the witness statements leak.
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The guy he shot moved back before he was shot. That's going to be hard to spin as provocation and a reason to fire. Looks much more like a retaliatory move from a snotty little punk that just got slapped.
 
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AM64 said:
The guy he shot moved back before he was shot. That's going to be hard to spin as provocation and a reason to fire. Looks much more like a retaliatory move from a snotty little punk that just got slapped.
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no worries, komrade harris and empty suit lyin' biden will pardon the snot nosed antifa punk.
 
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AM64 said:
Grassy knoll? I missed any discussion about a second gun.
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Hmm. Maybe it was in a news article.

“Two guns and a Mace can were found at the crime scene, Police Division Chief Joe Montoya said.”

Security guard jailed in deadly shooting at Denver protests

No idea how self defense or defense of others is defined in CO and wouldn’t have enough detail to say if it could work, but there is a pretty straightforward narrative here for the shooter that is bolstered if the second gun belonged to the deceased.
 
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AM64 said:
The guy he shot moved back before he was shot. That's going to be hard to spin as provocation and a reason to fire. Looks much more like a retaliatory move from a snotty little punk that just got slapped.
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Like I said I dont know what happened, but maybe the dude only moved back so he could deploy bear mace without macing himself too. He's bringing the can away from his side as he steps back. People are going to see this how they want. Nobody wants to wait for facts, just like with Rittenhouse. Politics controls the perception.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Hmm. Maybe it was in a news article.

“Two guns and a Mace can were found at the crime scene, Police Division Chief Joe Montoya said.”

Security guard jailed in deadly shooting at Denver protests

No idea how self defense or defense of others is defined in CO and wouldn’t have enough detail to say if it could work, but there is a pretty straightforward narrative here for the shooter that is bolstered if the second gun belonged to the deceased.
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I thought it was already determined that Doloff wasnt a licensed security guard.
 
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LouderVol said:
I thought it was already determined that Doloff wasnt a licensed security guard.
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I don’t know enough about the story or security licensing in Colorado to know whether that has been determined and, if so, how it’s significant.

Do you have to be a licensed security guard to claim self-defense in Colorado?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t know enough about the story or security licensing in Colorado to know whether that has been determined and, if so, how it’s significant.

Do you have to be a licensed security guard to claim self-defense in Colorado?
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You had mentioned defense of others.

One of the previous comments about the mace was that if maced he couldnt protect his charge, and thus a little extra escalation might be permitted to a licensed security guard.

Unless more video/pics show up it doesnt look like the reporter was in danger, so cant claim to be generally defending them as an outsider. And if you arent licensed I would guess any extra protection Colorado might have for protecting others in a specific, security guard type situation, wouldnt apply to a non licensed individual.

The specifics always matter in these cases I think we are all trying to figure it out.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t know enough about the story or security licensing in Colorado to know whether that has been determined and, if so, how it’s significant.

Do you have to be a licensed security guard to claim self-defense in Colorado?
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Don't think you can claim self-defense when carrying a gun illegally and you go up to a guy to attempt to take his mace illegally
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t know enough about the story or security licensing in Colorado to know whether that has been determined and, if so, how it’s significant.

Do you have to be a licensed security guard to claim self-defense in Colorado?
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No but if your claim is you're providing security, while your social media presence indicates support for Antifa along with reports from people on the ground there that he along with this news crew appeared to instigate or stage the conflict then that conflict results in the death of a participant is significant both criminally and in terms of culpability for the shooter, station and the security firm.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t know enough about the story or security licensing in Colorado to know whether that has been determined and, if so, how it’s significant.

Do you have to be a licensed security guard to claim self-defense in Colorado?
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No, but you have to be licensed to be an armed security guard in Colorado. Something he was not.

There's another issue of bonding which I'm unaware of the specific laws pertaining to that, but I'd really hope his present company has a good one.
 
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