NCAA praises Congress Bill for NIL

[marcusluvsvols]

Such a bad idea.

…and I have shocking news. College football has been the Wild West for 40 years and escalating rights fees have upped the ante the past 10-15 years. The difference is, it all used to be under the table and didn’t affect your sensibilities. Sensibilities are a bad reason to pass laws and Congress will overreach.

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Spoken like a man who has dealt with the US government before. They ruin everything they touch...and multiply the cost as well. Nothing on Earth is as inefficient as our government. They spend TRILLIONS of $ more than they take in every single year now...while our country's infrastructure is falling apart due to neglect. Thats just 1 example. Check out the public school system!!! Spends on average $30k a year in taxpayer funds to NOT educate 1 student properly!!! We have been falling further and further behind other western countries for DECADES. Kids now cannot make the same SAT scores that their PARENTS made...even after they dumbed down the test!!!

What a dang joke. No thanks.

 

[zjcvols]

Everyone is a capitalist until somebody significantly younger than them makes more money

 

[GAVol]

NIL is designed to assist players AFTER they have signed and are on campus.

Not really. NIL is a right everyone has. Going to college is not a prerequisite.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

NIL is needed. Players should be able to garner income from the university or businesses using their likeness to sell product. That was overdue;however, the seemingly limitless offerings to recruits has gotten out of hand. NIL is designed to assist players AFTER they have signed and are on campus. I understand the technicality of the courts and it's application to changes. Congress could pass legislation stipulating changes the NCAA must make to move forward. My point is that the NCAA could be proactive and provide that to Congress

I am not very passionate either way about WHAT the congressional action looks like, I am simply trying to make the point that Congress is the ONLY entity that can make enforceable rules after the recent Court decisions. If you want enforceable rules of any kind whatsoever, you need to be in favor of Congressional action. The debate simply needs to turn to what does that Congressional action look like. I typically am not a big government person, however the posture this whole situation is in legally, Congress is the one and only entity that can make any nationally enforceable rules whatsoever. There is not another nationally enforceable rules without Congress option. People need to understand that.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Not really. NIL is a right everyone has. Going to college is not a prerequisite.

Ok, but there is some nuance here as to the implementation with collegiate sports

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I am not very passionate either way about WHAT the congressional action looks like, I am simply trying to make the point that Congress is the ONLY entity that can make enforceable rules after the recent Court decisions. If you want enforceable rules of any kind whatsoever, you need to be in favor of Congressional action. The debate simply needs to turn to what does that Congressional action look like. I typically am not a big government person, however the posture this whole situation is in legally, Congress is the one and only entity that can make any nationally enforceable rules whatsoever. There is not another nationally enforceable rules without Congress option. People need to understand that.

Yes, I understand it. I'm simply pointing out a possible course for the two entities

 

[GAVol]

Ok, but there is some nuance here as to the implementation with collegiate sports

I’d argue that there is zero nuance. You can’t restrict someone’s ability to make money off their NIL. That’s what the whole O’Bannon lawsuit was about. The court held that the NCAA’s amateurism rules were an unlawful restriction under Sherman.

 

[Titans4Vols]

Anything that has Tommy Tuberville's name on it......is probably not good.

Could have retired/stuck to commentating after leaving Auburn and went down as a well thought of, decently successful football coach. Even coaching Tech and Cinci is whatever.

Instead decides to go in to politics and demonstrate what a garbage human being he is.

Crazy the terrible decisions seemingly intelligent people will make.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

Everyone is a capitalist until somebody significantly younger than them makes more money

Tennis, golf, auto racing, acting, social media all seem to be functioning okay.

 

[GAVol]

Everyone is a capitalist until somebody significantly younger than them makes more money

Truer words have never been spoken. As soon as the kids figured out how to stop working for free, people got antsy.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I’d argue that there is zero nuance. You can’t restrict someone’s ability to make money off their NIL. That’s what the whole O’Bannon lawsuit was about. The court held that the NCAA’s amateurism rules were an unlawful restriction under Sherman.

Ok. Whatever. Yes, you're right. NIL in its pure form, as the courts decided, is as you say. That doesn't mean amendments can't be made to it

 

[RDU VOL#14]

While I don’t like the portal, Congress should not be involved in student athlete’s ability to transfer to other institutions.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Yes, I understand it. I'm simply pointing out a possible course for the two entities

Yeah, I got you that your objection is more in the realm of "what" congress is doing, alot of people don't understand that Congress is the only entity that has the power to take any meaningful uniform action though and understanding that is really a necessary precursor to having a rational debate about "what" Congress should do.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Yeah, I got you that your objection is more in the realm of "what" congress is doing, alot of people don't understand that Congress is the only entity that has the power to take any meaningful uniform action though and understanding that is really a necessary precursor to having a rational debate about "what" Congress should do.

I don't mind Congress getting involved as long as those know-nothings don't **** it up with some heavy constraints. Like I said, Congress soliciting workable amendments from the NCAA to aid the legislative process would be more efficient and effective

 

[ntxVOL]

Reading that article, I noticed a couple of things.

This bill would require NIL collectives be affiliated with a school. What exactly does that mean? Does that mean players may be considered school employees? Bad news if so.

Then it will also grant investigative powers to the NCAA. Man, I bet the NCAA is excited about that. This would empower the NCAA by law and make it practically impossible to kick them to the curb. No more talk of the NCAA becoming irrelevant anymore.

 

[turbovol]

So the new head of the NCAA thinks it's great that the Senate is considering a bill that regulates NIL. Among other things it requires schools to cover certain sports related insurance costs for 8 years AFTER a player finishes playing. It also wants other insurance coverage depending on how much revenue the school generates from sports.

Does this sound like the players aren't employees?

NCAA president calls new bill 'major step' for NIL

You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. You're just ranting lamely about the government. First, college athletics is a mess at this time--and EVERYBODY (but you) knows it. Both the NCAA and /numerous/ coaches and athletic directors have /beseeched/ Congress to get involved and bring some sense to NIL, the transfer portal and other issues. Kiffin just described college athletics as a "disaster."

I don't know the specifics in this bill--but what I've read sounds hazy and off the mark. For sure, NIL needs to be reigned in. Deals with players should only be for legit merchandising; all other payments should be completely outlawed. It's quite amazing--as a former D1 student-athlete--how some these days seem to think student-athletes are put upon or exploited, and need what the new NCAA Chief calls "consumer protections." I don't think he's got a clue, either. The players are students--this is college. They're already getting $200K+ in a free education, housing, food, coaching, health care, tutoring, etc. etc. Most college kids in America--large numbers with hefty student loans--would kill to be in their position. We hear talking of college players "building their brands." For 99 percent of college student-athletes, this is more nonsense. There MIGHT be 5 student-athletes at a big school like Tennessee---men and women--with the collegiate star power to have a "brand." MAX. NInety-eight percent of everybody else will be in the working world soon enough, like everybody else, though they can brand pretend on their Instagram accounts for a couple of years if they want. What we've seen happen the last few years is merely more of the seedy commercialization of major-college sports that's been going on, and building, for years.

 

[turbovol]

I don't mind Congress getting involved as long as those know-nothings don't **** it up with some heavy constraints. Like I said, Congress soliciting workable amendments from the NCAA to aid the legislative process would be more efficient and effective

Heavy constraints on what--bribing players with cash?

 

[zjcvols]

Ok. Whatever. Yes, you're right. NIL in its pure form, as the courts decided, is as you say. That doesn't mean amendments can't be made to it

Why should there be?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Heavy constraints on what--bribing players with cash?

No

 

[zjcvols]

You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. You're just ranting lamely about the government. First, college athletics is a mess at this time--and EVERYBODY (but you) knows it. Both the NCAA and /numerous/ coaches and athletic directors have /beseeched/ Congress to get involved and bring some sense to NIL, the transfer portal and other issues. Kiffin just described college athletics as a "disaster."

I don't know the specifics in this bill--but what I've read sounds hazy and off the mark. For sure, NIL needs to be reigned in. Deals with players should only be for legit merchandising; all other payments should be completely outlawed. It's quite amazing--as a former D1 student-athlete--how some these days seem to think student-athletes are put upon or exploited, and need what the new NCAA Chief calls "consumer protections." I don't think he's got a clue, either. The players are students--this is college. They're already getting $200K+ in a free education, housing, food, coaching, health care, tutoring, etc. etc. Most college kids in America--large numbers with hefty student loans--would kill to be in their position. We hear talking of college players "building their brands." For 99 percent of college student-athletes, this is more nonsense. There MIGHT be 5 student-athletes at a big school like Tennessee---men and women--with the collegiate star power to have a "brand." MAX. NInety-eight percent of everybody else will be in the working world soon enough, like everybody else, though they can brand pretend on their Instagram accounts for a couple of years if they want. What we've seen happen the last few years is merely more of the seedy commercialization of major-college sports that's been going on, and building, for years.

So you believe in socialism and communism. You make enough already, so you shouldn’t make anymore…correct?

 

[95 Vol Alum]

You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. You're just ranting lamely about the government. First, college athletics is a mess at this time--and EVERYBODY (but you) knows it. Both the NCAA and /numerous/ coaches and athletic directors have /beseeched/ Congress to get involved and bring some sense to NIL, the transfer portal and other issues. Kiffin just described college athletics as a "disaster."

I don't know the specifics in this bill--but what I've read sounds hazy and off the mark. For sure, NIL needs to be reigned in. Deals with players should only be for legit merchandising; all other payments should be completely outlawed. It's quite amazing--as a former D1 student-athlete--how some these days seem to think student-athletes are put upon or exploited, and need what the new NCAA Chief calls "consumer protections." I don't think he's got a clue, either. The players are students--this is college. They're already getting $200K+ in a free education, housing, food, coaching, health care, tutoring, etc. etc. Most college kids in America--large numbers with hefty student loans--would kill to be in their position. We hear talking of college players "building their brands." For 99 percent of college student-athletes, this is more nonsense. There MIGHT be 5 student-athletes at a big school like Tennessee---men and women--with the collegiate star power to have a "brand." MAX. NInety-eight percent of everybody else will be in the working world soon enough, like everybody else, though they can brand pretend on their Instagram accounts for a couple of years if they want. What we've seen happen the last few years is merely more of the seedy commercialization of major-college sports that's been going on, and building, for years.

"Seedy commercialization" of college sports? Lulz, commercialization of college sports has been going on for decades.

Wags finger at poster "ranting lamely about the government." Proceeds to rant lamely about NIL.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Again, this is about Congress making an exception to a law (the AntiTrust laws) Congress wrote. They can do that and have done it repeatedly for 200+ years. There are no constitutional or socialism/communism related issues involved. Congress is the ONLY entity that can make any enforceable, uniform rules, so it's either A: uniform national rules made by Congress or B: no enforceable rules. If option A sounds better to you, the debate needs to be about WHAT Congress should do, not IF they should do it. If Option B stays the norm, this whole business is going to be unrecognizable in 5-10 years, there have got to be some rules, we just need healthy debate about what those rules should be. Again, though legally, Congress is the only group that can make those rules though, folks need to understand that.

 

[zjcvols]

Again, this is about Congress making an exception to a law (the AntiTrust laws) Congress wrote. They can do that and have done it repeatedly for 200+ years. There are no constitutional or socialism/communism related issues involved. Congress is the ONLY entity that can make any enforceable, uniform rules, so it's either A: uniform national rules made by Congress or B: no enforceable rules. If option A sounds better to you, the debate needs to be about WHAT Congress should do, not IF they should do it. College sports, due to the recent court decisions is in the unenviable position of having Congress be their only hope to preserve any recognizable form of college athletics.

I’ve seen Congress in action. I like Congress out of sports period

 

[zjcvols]

Again, this is about Congress making an exception to a law (the AntiTrust laws) Congress wrote. They can do that and have done it repeatedly for 200+ years. There are no constitutional or socialism/communism related issues involved. Congress is the ONLY entity that can make any enforceable, uniform rules, so it's either A: uniform national rules made by Congress or B: no enforceable rules. If option A sounds better to you, the debate needs to be about WHAT Congress should do, not IF they should do it. College sports, due to the recent court decisions is in the unenviable position of having Congress be their only hope to preserve any recognizable form of college athletics.

Like what? How is college sports going to die?

 

[zjcvols]

"Seedy commercialization" of college sports? Lulz, commercialization of college sports has been going on for decades.

Wags finger at poster "ranting lamely about the government." Proceeds to rant lamely about NIL.

Was I the only VN member to watch the 30 for 30 on SMU?