NCAA praises Congress Bill for NIL

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Like what? How is college sports going to die?

So you want a system where some Elon Musk type comes along and makes Vanderbilt football his vanity project and they start beating us every year? You want teams poaching players from year to year and rosters flipping endlessly, you want never ending re-alignment? No pro sport is currently like that. Understand, I am not against players getting paid, or getting their piece of the pie. That's a question of WHAT Congress should do, but they need to make some rules that apply to everyone and that are enforceable, they are the only ones that can.

 

[zjcvols]

So you want a system where some Elon Musk type comes along and makes Vanderbilt football his vanity project and they start beating us every year? You want teams poaching players from year to year and rosters flipping endlessly, you want never ending re-alignment? No pro sport is currently like that. Understand, I am not against players getting paid, or getting their piece of the pie. That's a question of WHAT Congress should do, but they need to make some rules that apply to everyone and that are enforceable, they are the only ones that can.

Realignment has always happened. Players have always been paid. Boosters have always tried to use their money to exert more power. This has always happened. We are just honest about it now. And players are actually benefiting from it.

 

[Pride85]

College sports is completely dead.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

Realignment has always happened. Players have always been paid. Boosters have always tried to use their money to exert more power. This has always happened. We are just honest about it now. And players are actually benefiting from it.

So we shouldn't have anti-murder laws because people have always murdered? Again, I am not against players getting paid, but there's got to be some rules. Think of how the game on the field would be played if there were no rules. It's the same off the field. There's got to be some order. Sure people will always cheat but there needs to be consequences or it will escalate endlessly. There needs to be structure to players getting paid, at a bare minimum, the sort of structure the NFL has. Anarchy is not sustainable.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

College sports is completely dead.

It will be dead if some enforceable nationally applicable rules aren't passed, it's fair to debate what those rules should be, but this is literally the only entity (Congress) who is capable of making those rules stepping up to the plate. I have my doubts as to whether they can craft something reasonable as well this being Congress we are talking about, but legally they are the only option, otherwise it's chaos that will reign.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. You're just ranting lamely about the government. First, college athletics is a mess at this time--and EVERYBODY (but you) knows it. Both the NCAA and /numerous/ coaches and athletic directors have /beseeched/ Congress to get involved and bring some sense to NIL, the transfer portal and other issues. Kiffin just described college athletics as a "disaster."

I don't know the specifics in this bill--but what I've read sounds hazy and off the mark. For sure, NIL needs to be reigned in. Deals with players should only be for legit merchandising; all other payments should be completely outlawed. It's quite amazing--as a former D1 student-athlete--how some these days seem to think student-athletes are put upon or exploited, and need what the new NCAA Chief calls "consumer protections." I don't think he's got a clue, either. The players are students--this is college. They're already getting $200K+ in a free education, housing, food, coaching, health care, tutoring, etc. etc. Most college kids in America--large numbers with hefty student loans--would kill to be in their position. We hear talking of college players "building their brands." For 99 percent of college student-athletes, this is more nonsense. There MIGHT be 5 student-athletes at a big school like Tennessee---men and women--with the collegiate star power to have a "brand." MAX. NInety-eight percent of everybody else will be in the working world soon enough, like everybody else, though they can brand pretend on their Instagram accounts for a couple of years if they want. What we've seen happen the last few years is merely more of the seedy commercialization of major-college sports that's been going on, and building, for years.

You're ranting into the void. I never said I'm happy with the status quo of NIL madness but I'm absolutely certain Congress won't help the situation.

You can insist all day that "lots of students would love to have just a scholarship" but elite D1 athletes ARE NOT just regular students. Some of them are working their way to becoming multi-million dollar business people.

You may hate how America works but I don't. People get paid more than I've been paid in a long, long career because they have a gift or talent or have put in the work to make themselves EXTREMELY valuable in their marketplace. Whether that's college athletics or pro athletics or medicine or law or whatever, I'm damn glad to live in a country where someone can maximize their economic value.

Does the wild, wild west of NIL suck? Yes.
Will Congress fix it? Show me where they've managed to fix a marketplace.

 

[zjcvols]

College sports is completely dead.

Did all US universities agree to stop playing sports? I haven’t refreshed twitter in a couple of hours

 

[zjcvols]

It will be dead if some enforceable nationally applicable rules aren't passed, it's fair to debate what those rules should be, but this is literally the only entity (Congress) who is capable of making those rules stepping up to the plate. I have my doubts as to whether they can craft something reasonable as well this being Congress we are talking about, but legally they are the only option, otherwise it's chaos that will reign.

How would it be dead? Will the universities all agree to stop playing sports?

 

[95 Vol Alum]

So we shouldn't have anti-murder laws because people have always murdered? Again, I am not against players getting paid, but there's got to be some rules. Think of how the game on the field would be played if there were no rules. It's the same off the field. There's got to be some order. Sure people will always cheat but there needs to be consequences or it will escalate endlessly. There needs to be structure to players getting paid, at a bare minimum, the sort of structure the NFL has. Anarchy is not sustainable.

Murder? {Insert Anchorman GIF here}

You don't believe that there is a market driven solution to sustain a profitable business model? No one should be surprised that there would be an overshoot on the NIL model, but I believe that market forces (invisible hands) will reign that it in some on its own. AND/OR, there is enough market capacity for an athlete like John Fulkerson to even make money on his name.

As a corollary, why don't we need the government to solve the coaching carousel problem in the NCAA? I mean some coaches don't stay but one year and then move to another program for better opportunities!!!!

 

[EZE]

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.” —Ronald Reagan

With that said, something has to be done. And, unfortunately, Congress is the only entity with the authority to do it. So in other words…college athletics is screwed!

 

[zjcvols]

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.” —Ronald Reagan

With that said, something has to be done. And, unfortunately, Congress is the only entity with the authority to do it. So in other words…college athletics is screwed!

How is it screwed? Will the universities all stop playing college athletics?

 

[EZE]

How is it screwed? Will the universities all stop playing college athletics?

If you can’t see NIL eventually spinning out of control, you aren’t paying very close attention.

 

[zjcvols]

If you can’t see NIL eventually spinning out of control, you aren’t paying very close attention.

How? Will it someone cause Disney to void their multi billion television deal with the SEC?

 

[zjcvols]

Here’s what you all need to say:

“Congress has to do something about college athletics or else MY VERSION of college sports will die.”

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

Anything that has Tommy Tuberville's name on it......is probably not good.

Still can't believe he's a US Senator

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Still can't believe he's a US Senator

One word, said through about 4 teeth: Alabama

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

This thread:

 

[turbovol]

So the new head of the NCAA thinks it's great that the Senate is considering a bill that regulates NIL. Among other things it requires schools to cover certain sports related insurance costs for 8 years AFTER a player finishes playing. It also wants other insurance coverage depending on how much revenue the school generates from sports.

Does this sound like the players aren't employees?

NCAA president calls new bill 'major step' for NIL

It sounds ridiculous, IMO. Where comes this notion that the student-athletes are all put-upon and exploited and should have roses and cash thrown at their feet? It's ludicrous. They're getting a free college education plus many other benefits. The NCAA president sounds like a numbskull with his "consumer protections" comment. What does that even mean? The players are not consumers.

 

[turbovol]

NIL is needed. Players should be able to garner income from the university or businesses using their likeness to sell product. That was overdue;however, the seemingly limitless offerings to recruits has gotten out of hand. NIL is designed to assist players AFTER they have signed and are on campus. I understand the technicality of the courts and it's application to changes. Congress could pass legislation stipulating changes the NCAA must make to move forward. My point is that the NCAA could be proactive and provide that to Congress

Right: NIL was conceived as a way for players to share in money earned from the sale of merchandise containing their name, image or likeness. Fair enough. That is all it should be--but by all accounts it's devolved into just using big-booster cash to bribe high-school prospects and transfers to sign with your school. That's BS--corruption. NIL should only be for legit merchandise deals AFTER a player has enrolled at a college-and the NCAA should have the power to investigate the deals. All other payments should be banned.

 

[TheDeeble]

Right: NIL was conceived as a way for players to share in money earned from the sale of merchandise containing their name, image or likeness. Fair enough. That is all it should be--but by all accounts it's devolved into just using big-booster cash to bribe high-school prospects and transfers to sign with your school. That's BS--corruption. NIL should only be for legit merchandise deals AFTER a player has enrolled at a college-and the NCAA should have the power to investigate the deals. All other payments should be banned.

NIL wasn't "conceived" for any of that. Everyone has a right to their name image likeness and can use that for personal benefit. You, me, whoever. That capability has nothing to do with whether or not you are a college athlete. If Huggies wanted to sign turbovol to an endorsement deal because you're fos and their diapers can keep it from leaking, you have that right.

But the NCAA was telling college athletes they weren't able to. And not only were they not able to make those deals, others could use an athletes name, image, or likeness to profit from without their permission.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

NIL wasn't "conceived" for any of that. Everyone has a right to their name image likeness and can use that for personal benefit. You, me, whoever. That capability has nothing to do with whether or not you are a college athlete. If Huggies wanted to sign turbovol to an endorsement deal because you're fos and their diapers can keep it from leaking, you have that right.

But the NCAA was telling college athletes they weren't able to. And not only were they not able to make those deals, others could use an athletes name, image, or likeness to profit from without their permission.

Technically, what the NCAA was telling college athletes was if that you want to play an amateur sport for a college, you can't sell your name, image and likeness. It was a quid pro quo. Sure, before you signed to play for the University of Tennessee, you had NIL rights, but if you wanted to play for UT, as a condition of doing so, you had to remain an amateur. The courts ruled that this violated Congress's Antitrust legislation. If Congress itself carves out an exception to the Antitrust legislation for the NCAA however, on the terms set forth in a congressional bill, then the NCAA can restrict or regulate NIL again.

 

[TheDeeble]

Technically, what the NCAA was telling college athletes was if that you want to play an amateur sport for a college, you can't sell your name, image and likeness. It was a quid pro quo. Sure, before you signed to play for the University of Tennessee, you had NIL rights, but if you wanted to play for UT, as a condition of doing so, you had to remain an amateur. The courts ruled that this violated Congress's Antitrust legislation. If Congress itself carves out an exception to the Antitrust legislation for the NCAA however, on the terms set forth in a congressional bill, then the NCAA can restrict or regulate NIL again.

I'd expect a lot of future lawsuits because the current bill being proposed isn't just NIL. Mandatory healthcare coverage after an athlete leaves the university and prohibiting colleges from sharing revenue with student-athletes.

Along with creating a national law for NIL deals, the Pass Act would also require schools to provide health coverage for sports-related injuries for eight years after athletes finish their college eligibility. Athletic departments that generate more than $20 million annually would also be required to cover out-of-pocket medical costs for two years after an athlete's playing career. Athletic departments that generate more than $50 million annually would have to cover four years of out-of-pocket expenses.

The bill also seeks to create a certification process for agents that work with college athletes, a public database for anonymized NIL data, and a uniform contract for athletes to use in NIL deals. Those items have been on the wish list of NCAA president Charlie Baker since he took on his new position in March.

The bill would make it illegal for states to pass individual laws that allow college athletes to receive a direct share of the billions of dollars of revenue they help to generate. This past year, a state representative in California proposed a bill that would allow for revenue sharing on teams that produce a significant amount of money for their schools. The bill was paused this summer.

The senators also suggest making it against federal law for a college athlete to transfer without sitting out a year until he or she has used at least three years of their college eligibility -- except for extreme circumstances, such as the death of a family member. Coaches and athletic directors have complained during the past year that the combination of NIL money and a relatively new NCAA rule that allows players to transfer without penalty has made it difficult to maintain a steady roster.

NCAA president calls new bill 'major step' for NIL

Only one of those has anything to do with NIL. There's a lot of stink coming off this process.

 

[05_never_again]

I'd expect a lot of future lawsuits because the current bill being proposed isn't just NIL. Mandatory healthcare coverage after an athlete leaves the university and prohibiting colleges from sharing revenue with student-athletes.



NCAA president calls new bill 'major step' for NIL

Only one of those has anything to do with NIL. There's a lot of stink coming off this process.

They claim the bill balances protecting the rights of student-athletes and protecting the "integrity of college sports." What does that last part even mean?

Is it implying that signing NIL deals to play college sports, or people going to the college that offers them the best NIL opportunities, means that person doesn't have integrity?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Technically, what the NCAA was telling college athletes was if that you want to play an amateur sport for a college, you can't sell your name, image and likeness. It was a quid pro quo. Sure, before you signed to play for the University of Tennessee, you had NIL rights, but if you wanted to play for UT, as a condition of doing so, you had to remain an amateur. The courts ruled that this violated Congress's Antitrust legislation. If Congress itself carves out an exception to the Antitrust legislation for the NCAA however, on the terms set forth in a congressional bill, then the NCAA can restrict or regulate NIL again.

I think the problem there is convincing the SCOTUS that someone like Peyton Manning RIGHTFULLY played for UT for just an athletic scholarship and no compensation then a few months later went to a far more competitive, much higher league doing the same job and signed for an $11M+ bonus.

It's not like Manning "suddenly" became that valuable as a QB. It's like the NCAA conspired as a business to not compensate him for his talent.

I cannot see the SCOTUS saying "the college football experience is worth so much to the culture that we will let the NCAA cap what a player can earn without the player's being able to negotiate."

I honestly don't think that is how America should work and I'm doubtful the SCOTUS will also.

 

[lastlapuncle]

Of course the ncaa will love this bill,it would keep them in business for a few more years.