NCAA Tourney vs NIT

#54
#54
MWR said:
This is a true story, according to the way I remember it, anyways.

I was attending college in the state of KY back in the 70's. That year, UT went to the NCAA tournament and promptly lost and KY went to the NIT and won.

When the UK fans would come around bragging about their NIT win, some UT fan volunteered that it was better to go to the NCAA and lose than go to the NIT and win a LOSER'S tournament.

The look on the UK fans said it all. NCAA was what mattered then, and I don't see that changing much since.
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Up until 1974, only 22 to 25 teams made the NCAA tournament. From 1975-1978, 32 teams got in. Basically, only 1 team from the SEC usually got into the NCAA tournament back in those days. So yes, alot has changed since then.
 
#55
#55
allvol said:
Up until 1974, only 22 to 25 teams made the NCAA tournament. From 1975-1978, 32 teams got in. Basically, only 1 team from the SEC usually got into the NCAA tournament back in those days. So yes, alot has changed since then.
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And back in the late 60's and early 70's, it didn't matter much who got in the tournament, UCLA won most of them anyway. If the field had been 64 teams in those days, it stands to reason that UT would have been in more tournaments. And you can't win if you don't play.
 
#56
#56
Quick, off the top of your head (and without Googling):

Who won the NIT last year?

Who won the NIT and the year before?
 
#57
#57
globadoc said:
Quick, off the top of your head (and without Googling):

Who won the NIT last year?

Who won the NIT and the year before?
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I remember some recent NIT champs and don't remember others, but I certainly wouldn't remember Seton Hall's 2004 first round loss without looking it up.

Tons of teams lose in the first round every single year. It's really not as relevant as you all think it is. That doesn't mean I'd take the NIT win, but it's definitely worth thinking about.

Also, our 30 point loss (among other things) certainly isn't going to attract any recruits.
 
#58
#58
IMHO, the only advantage to the NIT is the ability to get young players (and coaching staffs) the extra game time and tournament experience.

VCU won the CIT last year, which most likely gave CSS a little bit of experience with a tournament atmosphere. UNC lost the NIT title game last year, and the young players got a little more experience - and an opportunity to play in MSG. Of course, this experience does not mean everything will be roses. Last year's winner didn't even make the NCAA this year, even though they didn't really lose any of their key members or coaching staff.
 
#59
#59
globadoc said:
IMHO, the only advantage to the NIT is the ability to get young players (and coaching staffs) the extra game time and tournament experience.

VCU won the CIT last year, which most likely gave CSS a little bit of experience with a tournament atmosphere. UNC lost the NIT title game last year, and the young players got a little more experience - and an opportunity to play in MSG. Of course, this experience does not mean everything will be roses. Last year's winner didn't even make the NCAA this year, even though they didn't really lose any of their key members or coaching staff.
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CSS sucks!



Wait, not that one.
 
#61
#61
allvol said:
Florida is still able to recruit despite playing in the 2008 and 2009 NIT. If you remember, they won the 2006 and 2007 NCAA tourneys before being relegated to the NIT. The Gators made the NIT Semifinals in 2008 and the quarterfinals in 2009. In 2010, they lost in the first round of the NCAAt... and of course this season they lost an overtime game in the region finals.

Recruits remember how a team finishes the season. If a team gets blown out in the first round of any tournament, it will have a negative impact. Winning the NIT championship would definitely have a more positive impact.
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Florida has multiple national titles in the last decade which, helps. And they didn't win the NIT so that doesn't really have anything to do with your argument. If winning the NIT meant a damn thing, why haven't Penn State, West Virginia, Michigan, and South Carolina started tearing it up yet?
 
#62
#62
globadoc said:
Quick, off the top of your head (and without Googling):

Who won the NIT last year?

Who won the NIT and the year before?
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Quick, off the top of your head (and without Googling):

Name every team that lost their first game in the NCAA tourney last year.

Name every team that lost their first game in the NCAA tourney the year before.

The question posed by the OP references a "first round game". This year, the play-in games were considered the first round games and the traditional first round games were considered to be in the the second round. If the OP's question is taken literally, I think there is no question that winning the NIT trophy beats losing a play-in game in the NCAA.

Even assuming that the OP means losing in a team's first game, I think it depends upon your perspective. From a fan's perspective, I understand the argument that it is better to make (and get blown out in the first round of) the NCAA than to win the NIT. From a player's perspective, even though selection day would be hard to swallow, it is much better to have played well in and won your last game than to be humiliated in a first round game.
 
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