NCAA Transgender Stance Costing Us a Regional?

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Volunteer08 said:
I think the soccer issue is A LOT different than the WNBA. I don't think women are ignoring the revenue discrepancies. In defense of the Women's National Team in soccer, they brought in more revenue than the Men's National Team and were compensated far less. So I understand that argument. We all should.

I can't fully grasp the WNBA stance. I also don't know as much about it, but the numbers don't match up like they do in the soccer situation.
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The only reason the women’s team brought in more revenue is because the men missed the World Cup. Maybe they have an argument about a certain percentage of the cut they should get, but the revenue thing is misleading at best.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
The only reason the women’s team brought in more revenue is because the men missed the World Cup. Maybe they have an argument about a certain percentage of the cut they should get, but the revenue thing is misleading at best.
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Yep. It’s not that simple.
 
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For one there are only 2 genders period. You are what you were born as and it doesn't matter what you cut off. After getting that out of the way, if they want to have transgender athletics then who cares but men should not play in female sports. They would have an athletic advantage, which is not fair to the girls that bust their butts to only lose to some idiot that identify themselves as a female. If you disagree then your part of the problem. SMH
 
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TrueVol1970 said:
For one there are only 2 genders period. You are what you were born as and it doesn't matter what you cut off. After getting that out of the way, if they want to have transgender athletics then who cares but men should not play in female sports. They would have an athletic advantage, which is not fair to the girls that bust their butts to only lose to some idiot that identify themselves as a female. If you disagree then your part of the problem. SMH
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I’m trusting Clay Travis on this statistic, but a few weeks back on his podcast he stated nearly 300 HS boys (think the number was in the 280-290’s) in 2019 ran the 400M faster than the women’s world record holder. If thats not as clear as glass of the physiological advantage that men have over women then I don’t think there’s hope for the people who push this garbage.
 
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I am referring to posts on this topic, not specific posters.

1. It’s been a pretty long time since you had to “cut off your thingy”, in other words, have a total sex change, to participate in an Olympic Sport.

2. Track and Field, an Olympic sport, governed by the IOC, the rules of which are adhered to by collegiate Olympic sports like track and field require hormone treatments to adjust testosterone levels which require a level maintained a year before and for the duration of the competition.

3. The lawsuit in Connecticut is worth reading from the complainant side. They complain that males have an advantage in HS competition and that it causes the plaintiffs college scholarships. Also worth noting, the defendants are not willing to publicly declare where they are in the transition process.

This won’t pass muster in the collegiate ranks and this hurts rather than helps their ability to get a scholarship over the plaintiffs in the suit.

Finally, as it relates to HS sports...All things occur with the consent of the parent. What it must take to go through such a change surely would be done with consequences considered for the long term and not just winning a regional HS Track Meet. Of course, the hormone treatments and counseling and doctors...well, that must cost a small fortune. We are talking about .01 percent of HS athletes in the US. When they start regulating the fathers who will sell their homes to give their a kid a shot in another school district, lol.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
The only reason the women’s team brought in more revenue is because the men missed the World Cup. Maybe they have an argument about a certain percentage of the cut they should get, but the revenue thing is misleading at best.
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Your first statement is actually not true. The WNT extended the timeline to include the last time the men’s team played in the World Cup when they made their case. It holds up.

You’re right though, it comes down to a percentage of revenue although neither teams pay is directly tied to that. It’s just how they had previously justified it in the past. They get salaries and performance bonuses.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
The only reason the women’s team brought in more revenue is because the men missed the World Cup. Maybe they have an argument about a certain percentage of the cut they should get, but the revenue thing is misleading at best.
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One more item that is very misleading is sponsorships and who is responsible for attracting those sponsors. It’s not easy to identify with one team and not the other so do you base recent sponsors on recent success? Or do you make other assumptions? It is tricky, but still an obvious discrepancy.
 
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vol66 said:
I am referring to posts on this topic, not specific posters.

1. It’s been a pretty long time since you had to “cut off your thingy”, in other words, have a total sex change, to participate in an Olympic Sport.

2. Track and Field, an Olympic sport, governed by the IOC, the rules of which are adhered to by collegiate Olympic sports like track and field require hormone treatments to adjust testosterone levels which require a level maintained a year before and for the duration of the competition.

3. The lawsuit in Connecticut is worth reading from the complainant side. They complain that males have an advantage in HS competition and that it causes the plaintiffs college scholarships. Also worth noting, the defendants are not willing to publicly declare where they are in the transition process.

This won’t pass muster in the collegiate ranks and this hurts rather than helps their ability to get a scholarship over the plaintiffs in the suit.

Finally, as it relates to HS sports...All things occur with the consent of the parent. What it must take to go through such a change surely would be done with consequences considered for the long term and not just winning a regional HS Track Meet. Of course, the hormone treatments and counseling and doctors...well, that must cost a small fortune. We are talking about .01 percent of HS athletes in the US. When they start regulating the fathers who will sell their homes to give their a kid a shot in another school district, lol.
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The answer to the OP’s thread title is...not this year. Seeding and region bias will be a much bigger factor like times one thousand.
 
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vol66 said:
I am referring to posts on this topic, not specific posters.

1. It’s been a pretty long time since you had to “cut off your thingy”, in other words, have a total sex change, to participate in an Olympic Sport.

2. Track and Field, an Olympic sport, governed by the IOC, the rules of which are adhered to by collegiate Olympic sports like track and field require hormone treatments to adjust testosterone levels which require a level maintained a year before and for the duration of the competition.

3. The lawsuit in Connecticut is worth reading from the complainant side. They complain that males have an advantage in HS competition and that it causes the plaintiffs college scholarships. Also worth noting, the defendants are not willing to publicly declare where they are in the transition process.

This won’t pass muster in the collegiate ranks and this hurts rather than helps their ability to get a scholarship over the plaintiffs in the suit.

Finally, as it relates to HS sports...All things occur with the consent of the parent. What it must take to go through such a change surely would be done with consequences considered for the long term and not just winning a regional HS Track Meet. Of course, the hormone treatments and counseling and doctors...well, that must cost a small fortune. We are talking about .01 percent of HS athletes in the US. When they start regulating the fathers who will sell their homes to give their a kid a shot in another school district, lol.
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In response to #3, the scholarship advantage in circumstantial at best. This is the weakest argument that I have heard against transgender athletes. Especially, since the NCAA will not consider the defendants female athletes, they are not competing for the same scholarships. In fact the transgender are only hurting their own chances for a scholarship by not competing against males.

I do agree, the defendants should have to have some sort of declaration that they are in the "transition process." Due to Hippa, especially at the high school level, I am not sure what such a declaration would look like but it probably should be required. As an example, I had a co-worker that said it's easy to get out of jury duty, just tell everyone that you are a neo natzi or KKK, they will dismiss you right away. I would think most people are not willing to say that publicly just to get out of jury duty.

Yeah, haha, since when has high school athletics tried to enforce high school recruiting at the public school level. I know of attempts but it is rampant.
 
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VFFL@THE BEACH said:
In response to #3, the scholarship advantage in circumstantial at best. This is the weakest argument that I have heard against transgender athletes. Especially, since the NCAA will not consider the defendants female athletes, they are not competing for the same scholarships. In fact the transgender are only hurting their own chances for a scholarship by not competing against males.

I do agree, the defendants should have to have some sort of declaration that they are in the "transition process." Due to Hippa, especially at the high school level, I am not sure what such a declaration would look like but it probably should be required. As an example, I had a co-worker that said it's easy to get out of jury duty, just tell everyone that you are a neo natzi or KKK, they will dismiss you right away. I would think most people are not willing to say that publicly just to get out of jury duty.

Yeah, haha, since when has high school athletics tried to enforce high school recruiting at the public school level. I know of attempts but it is rampant.
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I hesitate to even post anything else, but as it relates to the Hippa part... I think starting hormone treatments at or previous to this age, I’d say no doctor would do it, at the very least, there would be a lot of consultations, it would be a very drawn out process, whether athletics were involved or not.
 
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Last post from me on this subject.

This reminds of a story, a conversation.

I am out in the driveway throwing a baseball against a retaining wall, practicing picking up the ball barehanded and stepping to 1st.

My dad walks up, chides me for using balls from the wrong bucket, then says, “ what do you think about a girl playing in little league?”

I dunno, why. He says, “you don’t care?” Not really. He says, “what if she takes yer spot?”

Me: She won’t.

Him: What if she does?

Me: I guess I’ll play outfield, who is it anyway?

He told me, I started laughing.

Him: What’s so funny?

Me: Nothing, hope we get her on the team.

We did, a whole bunch of parents in a tizzy over something almost no one remembers. That was mid to late 70’s.
 
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Majors said:
Makes you miss the days when Jordan wouldn't endorse politicians. " Republicans buy sneakers too"

Next will be a young female athlete who will stand up and sue the NCAA for discrimination in her own sport for being female. When does sports have a transgender division?
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I did not respect Michael Jordan enough for the stance he took. Now in my maturity, I understand.
 
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States that do not allow biological males to compete with females should remove their schools from the NCAA and start their own athletic governing body. Then watch the NCAA **** their pants.

This isn’t fair competition for females. I guess this is a case where we “won’t listen to science”.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
I’m trusting Clay Travis on this statistic, but a few weeks back on his podcast he stated nearly 300 HS boys (think the number was in the 280-290’s) in 2019 ran the 400M faster than the women’s world record holder. If thats not as clear as glass of the physiological advantage that men have over women then I don’t think there’s hope for the people who push this garbage.
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Honestly lower # than I thought it would be, impressive!
 
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The amount of disdain I have for race baiting and gender baiting cannot be quantified. That is one of the reasons I have been off the politics board. The lifestylist condoning and defending this behavior.
 
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Illinoisvolfan2 said:
I feel sorry for anyone who has these “sexual identity” issues. But biological males should not compete against females after about 8 years old. Create a separate competition for transgenders. If I had a daughter that had to compete against males I would be furious
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Agree. I grew up in Lenoir City and back then there were only 5000-6000 people there. There were girls on the "tee ball" teams because there weren't softball leagues for them. No big deal at that age. Past 8 or so, yeah, it starts to make a difference.
 
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This entire topic is sheer lunacy. We live in a society that is making up rules as it goes along. It's not "woke". It's not "reality". It's genetics. Men are men. Women are women. It's not malleable or subject to interpretation. And no, God doesn't make mistakes, but people sure as hell do. To allow this mental illness to influence anything much less sports is insanity.
 
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