Nebraska coach giving entire team Kendrick Lamar tickets

[volfannbama]

Justify it however you wish....think...prefer...at the end of the day you want him to change how he expresses himself, and that's not your call to make.

His experiences reinforce his message...and I haven't walked in his shoes. You haven't either.

I dont care if he changes how he expressses himself, i just dont have to like or agree with it. I prefer our society change to the point where people dont become millionaires by telling groups of people that another group wants them all dead. Them we will be getting somewhere. Unlikely to happen as people in general, as stupid.

 

[volfannbama]

Justify it however you wish....think...prefer...at the end of the day you want him to change how he expresses himself, and that's not your call to make.

His experiences reinforce his message...and I haven't walked in his shoes. You haven't either.

I dont care if he changes how he expressses himself, i just dont have to like or agree with it. I prefer our society change to the point where people dont become millionaires by telling groups of people that another group wants them all dead. Them we will be getting somewhere. Unlikely to happen as people in general, are stupid.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

First on painting with broad brush white cops are getting painted with broad brush. You have to admit the majority of rap music has a negative genre and full of bad language. Too often imo, the rap industry either has to talk about his sex, drugs, or painting cops as racists. Imo, little is done to address root of drug problem, view of women, and why some may stereotype (stereotype is different from racist imo). Yes, some people are racist, but very small percentage imo.

All cops are being painted with a broad brush, not just white cops. The protesters in Baltimore didn't seem to care some of the cops accused of killing Freddie Gray were black.

And BLM didn't give a damn about the two black cops killed in Orlando earlier this year, or the black cop in Kissimmee who was killed less than a week ago. But that's a different topic altogether.

It's a cop thing, not a white cop thing.

And I'm not here to defend rap music, so I'll leave you to your opinions there.

 

[volnpowell]

All cops are being painted with a broad brush, not just white cops. The protesters in Baltimore didn't seem to care some of the cops accused of killing Freddie Gray were black.

And BLM didn't seem to give a damn about the two black cops who were killed in Orlando earlier this year, or the black cop in Kissimmee who was killed less than a week ago. But that's a different topic altogether.

It's a cop thing, not a white cop thing.

And I'm not here to defend rap music, so I'll leave you to your opinions there.

I am (honestly) curious what your thoughts are on some things. For example if you did not hear, Charles Barkley said he is 54 years old, and never once thought about those statues, and if most blacks were on honest they had not either. He then went on to say that he is more concerned about improving people (iirc will try to find link)

Here is one link, but it was not the one I was looking for

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/07/13/charles-barkley-black-people-have-to-do-better.html

Found it...http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/...ent-thought-day-their-lives-about-confederate

On last link if you listen to it they are speaking with Lawrence Jones from the Blaze he is African American btw and put it best.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I dont care if he changes how he expressses himself, i just dont have to like or agree with it. I prefer our society change to the point where people dont become millionaires by telling groups of people that another group wants them all dead. Them we will be getting somewhere. Unlikely to happen as people in general, are stupid.

Some rappers don't trust cops. You're a cop. I get it.

But for you to suggest how people make a living is laughable. You can become a millionaire in this country however you wish, within the law...it's called capitalism.

Kendrick Lamar won't be the last person in America to make millions by pissing some people off. That's a long list.

 

[volfannbama]

Some rappers don't trust cops. You're a cop. I get it.

But for you to suggest how people make a living is laughable. You can become a millionaire in this country however you wish, within the law...it's called capitalism.

Kendrick Lamar won't be the last person in America to make millions by pissing some people off. That's a long list.

And instilling more hatred and piss poor attitudes in the community he says he wants to improve.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I am (honestly) curious what your thoughts are on some things. For example if you did not hear, Charles Barkley said he is 54 years old, and never once thought about those statues, and if most blacks were on honest they had not either. He then went on to say that he is more concerned about improving people (iirc will try to find link)

Here is one link, but it was not the one I was looking for

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/07/13/charles-barkley-black-people-have-to-do-better.html

Found it...http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/...ent-thought-day-their-lives-about-confederate

On last link if you listen to it they are speaking with Lawrence Jones from the Blaze he is African American btw and put it best.

Charles Barkley doesn't speak for "most blacks". He speaks for Charles Barkley, and Charles Barkley knows me about as well as the cop in this thread knows Kendrick Lamar.

I grew up in Jacksonville, where up until recently there were high schools named after Robert E. Lee and Nathan Bedford Forrest. It's not something I thought about growing up, but i do remember my parents (one of which was a HS teacher in Jax for 36 years) speaking their mind on it.

I'm of the opinion that Confederate statues and associated history should be preserved in museums. I don't have an issue with anyone flying a Confederate flag on their personal property. I do have an issue with Confederate statues in front of government buildings or in public parks backed by taxpayer dollars.

I also believe in the democratic process whereby these issues are voted on by the people.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

And instilling more hatred and piss poor attitudes in the community he says he wants to improve.

Your opinion is noted.

I don't profess to know more about Kendrick Lamar than you do, because I don't.

I also don't begrudge him for making money through his music, which I assume is based on his life experiences.

 

[volnpowell]

Charles Barkley doesn't speak for "most blacks". He speaks for Charles Barkley, and Charles Barkley knows me about as well as the cop in this thread knows Kendrick Lamar.

I grew up in Jacksonville, where up until recently there were high schools named after Robert E. Lee and Nathan Bedford Forrest. It's not something I thought about growing up, but i do remember my parents (one of which was a HS teacher in Jax for 36 years) speaking their mind on it.

I'm of the opinion that Confederate statues and associated history should be preserved in museums. I don't have an issue with anyone flying a Confederate flag on their personal property. I do have an issue with Confederate statues in front of government buildings or in public parks backed by taxpayer dollars.

I also believe in the democratic process whereby these issues are voted on by the people.

Did you listen to Lawrence Jones on last link I provided? He is African American and I felt he spoke well of issues. For example the way people are handling things if disagree with or what they say.

 

[volnpowell]

Your opinion is noted.

I don't profess to know more about Kendrick Lamar than you do, because I don't.

I also don't begrudge him for making money through his music, which I assume is based on his life experiences.

I think his point is he and others in rap industry do not do anything to help improve problems with that method of music, not that they do not have right to make money by it.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

I think his point is he and others in rap industry do not do anything to help improve problems with that method of music, not that they do not have right to make money by it.

Choose your words carefully.

I'm not here to defend hip hop music, but it's intellectually lazy to say unequivocally "he (Lamar) and others in the rap industry don't do ANYTHING to improve problems".

Because he says things that make certain people uncomfortable...things even I don't agree with...doesn't automatically mean he isn't doing anything positive in his community.

 

[volfannbama]

Choose your words carefully.

I'm not here to defend hip hop music, but it's intellectually lazy to say unequivocally "he (Lamar) and others in the rap industry don't do ANYTHING to improve problems".

The message they send does not, and it reaches far more people than any charity work or anything else they will do.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

The message they send does not, and it reaches far more people than any charity work or anything else they will do.

Who is the "they" you're referring to?

 

[volfannbama]

Who is the "they" you're referring to?

Rap artist like Kendrick Lamar

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Rap artist like Kendrick Lamar

Gotcha.

I don't know which rap artists today are "like" Kendrick Lamar...let alone what he's about.

Smokey123 appears to have a better handle on all that.

 

[VolNExile]

The message they send does not, and it reaches far more people than any charity work or anything else they will do.

Accidental like. :-D

One occasional effect of the messages in hip-hop and other contra-social messages ("contra-social" meaning contrary to mainstream ideology) is that it might startle some people into re-examining the usual spin on why things are as they are.

FWIW, I'm an old white lady who doesn't like hip-hop because of its blatant sexism. But I do know that a society that hopes to survive in the long run must be able to hear a lot of differing points of view.

If we all keep singing along out of the same song book, and don't listen to the objections and alternative points of view from those who have different experiences, we're going to have some unpleasant interruptions in our happy day-to-day lives.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Accidental like. :-D

One occasional effect of the messages in hip-hop and other contra-social messages ("contra-social" meaning contrary to mainstream ideology) is that it might startle some people into re-examining the usual spin on why things are as they are.

FWIW, I'm an old white lady who doesn't like hip-hop because of its blatant sexism. But I do know that a society that hopes to survive in the long run must be able to hear a lot of differing points of view.

If we all keep singing along out of the same song book, and don't listen to the objections and alternative points of view from those who have different experiences, we're going to have some unpleasant interruptions in our happy day-to-day lives.

Quality post.

 

[volfannbama]

Accidental like. :-D

One occasional effect of the messages in hip-hop and other contra-social messages ("contra-social" meaning contrary to mainstream ideology) is that it might startle some people into re-examining the usual spin on why things are as they are.

FWIW, I'm an old white lady who doesn't like hip-hop because of its blatant sexism. But I do know that a society that hopes to survive in the long run must be able to hear a lot of differing points of view.

If we all keep singing along out of the same song book, and don't listen to the objections and alternative points of view from those who have different experiences, we're going to have some unpleasant interruptions in our happy day-to-day lives.

I appreciate yours and all logical points of view. However, i feel at some point we have to draw the line for whats acceptable in your society and it seems the hip hop community has no limit. Decades of glorification of violence, drug dealing, degrading of women etc has certainly had its effect to the point to where its not only normal, but expected.

It seems to me we have a huge movement to push any form of hatred out of our society, yet we are unwilling to admit where it comes from. Im not saying KL shouldnt be allowed to rap about whatever he wants, im just saying he will never recieve a dime of support from me.

Isiah Crowells story after the Dallas Police officers were shot is the type of story that needs to me glorified.