Need some help understanding.

[govols'96]

According to Rivals, we have had top 20 recruiting classes since 2010, with the exception of '13 we was only one off.
Here is the list with class ranking.
2010-#9
2011-#13
2012-#17
2013-#21
What I don't understand is why is that, all we hear is that we don't have the talent to compete. Many of the teams the vols play have very similar recruiting records. I understand coaching changes and people graduate or move on to the NFL but it is just confusing that it seems that we can't compete to what we are capable of, at least in recruiting rankings. It seems if you have top twenty talent it would show on the field. Hopefully sooner than later Butch will right the ship. GBO

 

[vol2013]

Would be interested to see the recruiting rankings reranked for each of those years taking attrition into account. Also, going back to the 2010 class you are talking about players that have been coached up for years at other programs where as our players appeared to be receiving subpar coaching. Do you really expect one year of CBJ coaching to be equal to 3 years of coaching players at other programs have received?

 

[stuvol86]

Attrition, busts and classes full of wide recievers.

 

[RockyTop22]

Most of those classes are not here anymore

 

[keckjm]

According to Rivals, we have had top 20 recruiting classes since 2010, with the exception of '13 we was only one off.
Here is the list with class ranking.
2010-#9
2011-#13
2012-#17
2013-#21
What I don't understand is why is that, all we hear is that we don't have the talent to compete. Many of the teams the vols play have very similar recruiting records. I understand coaching changes and people graduate or move on to the NFL but it is just confusing that it seems that we can't compete to what we are capable of, at least in recruiting rankings. It seems if you have top twenty talent it would show on the field. Hopefully sooner than later Butch will right the ship. GBO

Yea, OP you must have missed the thread where someone on here broke down how many players had left since 2009. I couldn't find the thread for you, but the numbers were crazy. I think it was in the 30-40 range of players who either didn't play/kicked off/left or didn't play big time minutes. That's like asking a coaching staff to recruit a total of 35-45 players over a 4 year span pretty much. We have talent in some spots right now, but we have no depth. The killer spots that haven't been recruited consistently well the last 5-7 years are RB, K/P, QB, DE, DT, CB, and LB. My biggest problem with this team other then RB and QB is we simply don't have a elite pass rusher who can contain the edge on run plays and get to the QB on pass plays.

 

[fatvol]

Most of those classes are not here anymore

And the ones left have gone thru the Dooley/Sunseri "dumbing down" years.

 

[govols'96]

Yea, OP you must have missed the thread where someone on here broke down how many players had left since 2009. I couldn't find the thread for you, but the numbers were crazy. I think it was in the 30-40 range of players who either didn't play/kicked off/left or didn't play big time minutes. That's like asking a coaching staff to recruit a total of 35-45 players over a 4 year span pretty much. We have talent in some spots right now, but we have no depth. The killer spots that haven't been recruited consistently well the last 5-7 years are RB, K/P, QB, DE, DT, CB, and LB. My biggest problem with this team other then RB and QB is we simply don't have a elite pass rusher who can contain the edge on run plays and get to the QB on pass plays.

Yeah, missed that thread. Did not realize that so many players was in those situations. I don't by any means expect Butch to fix years of problems in one year. It will be so nice to get back to winning seasons .

 

[keckjm]

Yeah, missed that thread. Did not realize that so many players was in those situations. I don't by any means expect Butch to fix years of problems in one year. It will be so nice to get back to winning seasons .

He keeps saying 2014 is the foundation team, but IMO the 14' and 15' classes are foundations teams. CBJ will turn the ship around, but I fully expect some changes to our current roster to open up spots in the 15' and 16' classes.

 

[TGVol]

That's just it - we don't lack talent as much as we are told (maybe some more depth). It is just a very common excuse fans are willing to fall for when they get excited about the new coaching staffs (ie. your old staff sucked so new staff needs a clean start etc - nonsense). But of course new coaching staffs (everywhere not just at UT) love to see this attitude as it probably buys them another year or two where they don't have to do so great. But when you look our last 3 years where we finished in recruiting it's definitely not the case we lack talent (and it's not like after Kiffin left when his whole class either left, or got thrown out for various disciplinary reasons).

 

[vol2013]

2010

5 Stars

Darick Rogers-gone

4 Stars

Dave Clark- Never made it in
Tyler Bray- Gone
Matt Milton- Gone
John Brown- Never made it in
Ted Meline- Gone
Eddrick Lofton- Never made it in


3 Stars
Martaze Jackson- Gone
Channing Fugate- Gone
Matt Simms- Gone
Marcques Dixon- Gone
Mychal Rivera- Gone


2 Stars

Nash Nance- Gone


2011

4 Stars

Izauea Lanier- Gone
Deanthony Arnett- Gone
Cameron Clear- Gone
Maurice Couch- Gone at the moment
Pat Martin- gone
Curt Maggitt- Injured



2012

4 Stars

Cordarrelle Patterson
Dante Phillips
Deion Bonner
Davante Bourque

3 Stars

Quenshaun Watson- Gone
Daniel Gray- Gone
Justin Meredith- Unfortunately may never recover from his hamstring injury
Trent Taylor- Gone
Darrington Sentimore- Gone

 

[photovol]

Pick the excuse that works best for you, that's what everyone else has done.

 

[vavolunteer]

How can you see the post from vol2013 and call a lack of talent an excuse. The other post mentioned earlier is even more detailed.

Then, on top of that, you add the injuries we are dealing with just this year, lack of talent and depth is not an excuse, it's a huge element of who we are right now.

 

[TGVol]

How can you see the post from vol2013 and call a lack of talent an excuse. The other post mentioned earlier is even more detailed.

Because you would probably see a very similar list in any big time football program - injuries, transfers, etc. The truth is that in spite of that list we have plenty of good football players right now who just need to be coached (how about o-line - nobody has left there has it?), so coaches and fans should stop looking for excuses. Perhaps after Kiffin left it was really bad for a while (because his whole roster literally either left, or was kicked out for disciplinary reasons etc.). But that is definitely not the case over the last 3 years at UT.

 

[johnw]

I posted this in a thread earlier in the week.

When Oku is running for Arkansas State, Cam Clear is catching touchdowns for aTm, DeAnthony Arnett is playing for Michigan St, Davante Bourque disappears into obscurity Tyler Bray had rather be 3rd string qb for Kansas City Chiefs than play his senior year, Darrington Sentimore had rather go undrafted than play for us, and about 20 more examples!!!! I don't know why we don't have any depth in key places!!!! JMHO

 

[keckjm]

Because you would probably see a very similar list in any big time football program - injuries, transfers, etc. The truth is that in spite of that list we have plenty of good football players right now who just need to be coached (how about o-line - nobody has left there has it?), so coaches and fans should stop looking for excuses. Perhaps after Kiffin left it was really bad for a while (because his whole roster literally either left, or was kicked out for disciplinary reasons etc.). But that is definitely not the case over the last 3 years at UT.

I'm not sure me and you watch and cheer for the same UT Vols team. You have to be blind to think we have quality depth. We are playing two walkons in the secondary right now. Then to top it off you think other teams in the SEC have had the same problems we have had with losing players? You think Bama, FL, GA, SC, LSU, and A&M have lost 40-45 players over the last 3-4 years because they either get in trouble off the field or simply can't beat out a walkon? I'll answer that for you it's a big H*** to the NO. We had the WORST coach in UT history the last 3 years, who on top of that hired the WORST defensive coord. in UT history last year. We have had 4-5 d-line coaches, 4 o-line coaches, and 4 different defensive coord. in the last 5 years here. We have had a recipe for disaster here the last 4 years, and Butch has inherited a mess, but at least he inherited with coaches he's coached with for multiple years. We MUST have stability in terms of coaching to ever get back on top.

 

[Volnut]

Derrick Dooley instilled a losing and quitter's attitude into this team.

 

[TGVol]

I'm not sure me and you watch and cheer for the same UT Vols team. You have to be blind to think we have quality depth. We are playing two walkons in the secondary right now. Then to top it off you think other teams in the SEC have had the same problems we have had with losing players?

Didn't we just watch UF beat us with third string QB (their second string transferred). Also, in the 4th quarter one of their corners got injured and the other thrown out. But what did they do? Their coaching staffs made ADJUSTMENTS and they beat us (or did you miss Muschamp chew up their corner after he missed the assignment and Pig beat him for TD - the next time we tried to throw in that direction they intercepted. That is the difference - better coaches make do with what they have available.

 

[LocoVol]

According to Rivals, we have had top 20 recruiting classes since 2010, with the exception of '13 we was only one off.
Here is the list with class ranking.
2010-#9
2011-#13
2012-#17
2013-#21
What I don't understand is why is that, all we hear is that we don't have the talent to compete. Many of the teams the vols play have very similar recruiting records. I understand coaching changes and people graduate or move on to the NFL but it is just confusing that it seems that we can't compete to what we are capable of, at least in recruiting rankings. It seems if you have top twenty talent it would show on the field. Hopefully sooner than later Butch will right the ship. GBO

Because we are a fan base full of excuses. We have one for everything. Not much accountability but lots of excuses.

 

[vol2013]

Because we are a fan base full of excuses. We have one for everything. Not much accountability but lots of excuses.

If we don't hold people accountable for anything then how come we fired Derek Dooley?

 

[LocoVol]

If we don't hold people accountable for anything then how come we fired Derek Dooley?

How long did it take? And their were people on here making excuses for him and saying one more year while bashing the rest.

Read just about any thread on here it's full of excuses of under performing, bad choices, poor decisions, lack of adjustments on and on.

 

[vol2013]

How long did it take? And their were people on here making excuses for him and saying one more year while bashing the rest.

Read just about any thread on here it's full of excuses of under performing, bad choices, poor decisions, lack of adjustments on and on.

It took 3 years which is what a coach is going to be given as he should be. Find me a list of coaches that have been fired in less than 3 years. It shouldn't take you very long, because it will be a very very short list.

 

[LocoVol]

Find me coaches as inept as Dooley.

 

[VegasVol]

Yea, OP you must have missed the thread where someone on here broke down how many players had left since 2009.

The attrition rate at Tennessee of 4/5* recruits is about 35% over the 2010-2013 recruiting classes. The SEC norm, as documented by lwsvol, is 39% over a 4-year time period. Hence, we have not disproportionately suffered attrition during that time period.

Instead, what appears more apparent is a combination of the players we have being over-valued by recruiting services (offensive skill positions especially), and coaching that looks no better than average.

 

[vol2013]

Find me coaches as inept as Dooley.

Not that hard, and would be a hell of a lot longer than any list of coaches that have been fired after only two seasons. Any sane person can look at the history of coaches in college football and realize that it takes three seasons to accurately judge a coach.

 

[Daloth]

You hear it because our fanbase wants to blame anyone but the current regime as long as we can. If we say its talent, then we blame dooley and kiffin (can't pull that on fulmer anymore).

If someone tries to argue schemes or coaching (which is what happened yesterday) then you have to blame the current guys, and apparently our fans can't find it in their hearts to be critical of our current football savior.