Need some help understanding.

[LocoVol]

You hear it because our fanbase wants to blame anyone but the current regime as long as we can. If we say its talent, then we blame dooley and kiffin (can't pull that on fulmer anymore).

If someone tries to argue schemes or coaching (which is what happened yesterday) then you have to blame the current guys, and apparently our fans can't find it in their hearts to be critical of our current football savior.

Sums it up well. :hi:

 

[keckjm]

Didn't we just watch UF beat us with third string QB (their second string transferred). Also, in the 4th quarter one of their corners got injured and the other thrown out. But what did they do? Their coaching staffs made ADJUSTMENTS and they beat us (or did you miss Muschamp chew up their corner after he missed the assignment and Pig beat him for TD - the next time we tried to throw in that direction they intercepted. That is the difference - better coaches make do with what they have available.

So, those adjustments had nothing to do with the fact FL has top athletes playing CB, and we have walkons. Riggs, the player PIG beat, was a third string CB, and he was a composite 94 rated CB per 247. That's quality depth that we don't have.

 

[LocoVol]

Not that hard, and would be a hell of a lot longer than any list of coaches that have been fired after only two seasons. Any sane person can look at the history of coaches in college football and realize that it takes three seasons to accurately judge a coach.

It didn't take three to judge Dooley unless you had vision problems or wanted to make excuses. Shower etiquette, where's Rommel, couldn't make simple substitution making fun of players in public on and on. But thanks for proving my excuse point. :thumbsup: we would rather make an excuse that call it like it is.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Because we are a fan base full of excuses. We have one for everything. Not much accountability but lots of excuses.

Why don't we just tell everybody we are on double secret probation and lost 12 scholarships per year the last 3 years...

Excuses no it is what it is......

 

[Stevorino]

1. As many on here have said - attrition. Coaching changes haven't helped.

2. IMO, our rankings since the mid-2000's have been inflated with the high-star rejects. In other words, Tennessee has had a knack for pulling in top recruits who were rejected by the home-state schools and/or those who cared more about off-the-field attributes. I'm not saying all of our recruits are thugs... but we have had more than the average SEC team for sure.

Up there with UT is UF and LSU - but I think those towns protect the kids from the law a bit differently than they do in Knoxville...

3. I will say that the current class Butch has put together is the best we've had since 2004...maybe earlier. Lots of quality athletes and good kids.

 

[LocoVol]

Teams all over football and sports in general face all sorts of adversities yet play well, keep games close, take care of the football, do the little things right and in the end they compete well and overachieve. But were more interested in we cant and excuses to do that.

 

[LocoVol]

Ps that's one thing I love about Jones. He owns it and makes no excuse. Now if he could teach Volnation that trick he would be epic. Theirs a lot do reasons why we may not compete for the SEC title but not enough that we shouldn't compete game in and game out and do the small/basic things well.

 

[nagle]

Didn't we just watch UF beat us with third string QB (their second string transferred). Also, in the 4th quarter one of their corners got injured and the other thrown out. But what did they do? Their coaching staffs made ADJUSTMENTS and they beat us (or did you miss Muschamp chew up their corner after he missed the assignment and Pig beat him for TD - the next time we tried to throw in that direction they intercepted. That is the difference - better coaches make do with what they have available.

/cry

 

[Oskie Volum]

Because you would probably see a very similar list in any big time football program - injuries, transfers, etc. The truth is that in spite of that list we have plenty of good football players right now who just need to be coached (how about o-line - nobody has left there has it?), so coaches and fans should stop looking for excuses. Perhaps after Kiffin left it was really bad for a while (because his whole roster literally either left, or was kicked out for disciplinary reasons etc.). But that is definitely not the case over the last 3 years at UT.

Good posts in here TG! We have plenty of players, and talent to go into the swamp and pull off a win vs a team that played the way the Gators played yesterday. We didn't capitalize and that's a coaching issue right there. No..and.ifs.buts.about.it. This team wasn't prepared to go in and win. They played like crap and either made UF play like crap or vice versa. Either way, not saying we were the better team, but if we were better prepared/coached we should have been able to capitalize on their issues.

All these people are coming on here blaming Dooley and excusing Jones is ridiculous. Like u mentioned the excuses they r using to not hold the current coaching accountable can be used 10 fold back '10. Yet their hatred for Dooley is just blinding. (I know I know people think I'm Dooley's wannabe lover or something, but I actually just try to get people to see the situation from a different angle)

I'm crossing my fingers CBJ figures out how to do more with less like everyone on here pumped themselves up to believe, but he needs to figure it out ASAP. This great recruiting class everyone wants to hang on to is gonna start to dwindle if he doesn't.

My concern from day 1 with CBJ was the fact he was now moving up to the bigs, and whether or not he can handle it. He brought over the "best staff"...which had no experience vs the best either. Everyone bashed Dooley for not having a good record before coming here, but he knew the SEC and what it took. CBJ has no clue, and now we have to ride is learning curve. For how long??
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[Vol8188]

Because half of the 2012 signing class is already gone.

 

[keckjm]

Good posts in here TG! We have plenty of players, and talent to go into the swamp and pull off a win vs a team that played the way the Gators played yesterday. We didn't capitalize and that's a coaching issue right there. No..and.ifs.buts.about.it. This team wasn't prepared to go in and win. They played like crap and either made UF play like crap or vice versa. Either way, not saying we were the better team, but if we were better prepared/coached we should have been able to capitalize on their issues.

All these people are coming on here blaming Dooley and excusing Jones is ridiculous. Like u mentioned the excuses they r using to not hold the current coaching accountable can be used 10 fold back '10. Yet their hatred for Dooley is just blinding. (I know I know people think I'm Dooley's wannabe lover or something, but I actually just try to get people to see the situation from a different angle)

I'm crossing my fingers CBJ figures out how to do more with less like everyone on here pumped themselves up to believe, but he needs to figure it out ASAP. This great recruiting class everyone wants to hang on to is gonna start to dwindle if he doesn't.

My concern from day 1 with CBJ was the fact he was now moving up to the bigs, and whether or not he can handle it. He brought over the "best staff"...which had no experience vs the best either. Everyone bashed Dooley for not having a good record before coming here, but he knew the SEC and what it took. CBJ has no clue, and now we have to ride is learning curve. For how long??
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Half his staff have coached multiple years in the SEC. Jancek, Thig, Martinez, Gillespie, and Azzanni all have SEC experience. Do your homework before you make more stupid comments. This also doesn't mention the fact Elder, Mahoney, and Mike have all been assistant coaches all six years with CBJ.

 

[volboy81]

Yeah, missed that thread. Did not realize that so many players was in those situations. I don't by any means expect Butch to fix years of problems in one year. It will be so nice to get back to winning seasons .

All of Kiffins recruits would be seniors this year. I can't remember the numbers, but I'm thinking MAYBE only about 5-6 are left. You can't win big with that stat. Butch is correcting the dumbness & ineptness of the last 4 years.

 

[theFallGuy]

According to Rivals, we have had top 20 recruiting classes since 2010, with the exception of '13 we was only one off.
Here is the list with class ranking.
2010-#9
2011-#13
2012-#17
2013-#21
What I don't understand is why is that, all we hear is that we don't have the talent to compete. Many of the teams the vols play have very similar recruiting records. I understand coaching changes and people graduate or move on to the NFL but it is just confusing that it seems that we can't compete to what we are capable of, at least in recruiting rankings. It seems if you have top twenty talent it would show on the field. Hopefully sooner than later Butch will right the ship. GBO

agreed. having a new coach each year shouldn't affect us at all

 

[FLVOL_79]

This should clear things up a bit..UT's football development strategy over the past few years..
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts[/youtube]

 

[TGVol]

Half his staff have coached multiple years in the SEC. Jancek, Thig, Martinez, Gillespie, and Azzanni all have SEC experience.

1. Jancek and Martinez get fired by UGA?
2. Kiffin thrashed their defense when they were at UGA?
3. Dooley thrashed their defense when they were at Cincy?

So yes, they have SEC experience - but it's BAD experience so they have not at all proven they belong in SEC (which all of them have collectively confirmed once again vs UF).
By the way, all of you who think Dooley was such a bad coach should agree with this analysis since if bad Dooley could beat them so easily how good could they possibly be - right?

 

[imavolfan]

The problem with our recruiting rankings is that those rankings fall towards the bottom of the SEC team rankings. We do a pretty good job at winning the out of conference games (besides Oregon) but have trouble competing in the SEC.

 

[imavolfan]

1. Jancek and Martinez get fired by UGA?
2. Kiffin thrashed their defense when they were at UGA?
3. Dooley thrashed their defense when they were at Cincy?

So yes, they have SEC experience - but it's BAD experience so they have not at all proven they belong in SEC (which all of them have collectively confirmed once again vs UF).
By the way, all of you who think Dooley was such a bad coach should agree with this analysis since if bad Dooley could beat them so easily how good could they possibly be - right?

Bray, Hunter, and Patterson thrashed their defense as well as most other defenses we played.

 

[TGVol]

Bray, Hunter, and Patterson thrashed their defense as well as most other defenses we played.

Ok now we are making some progress.
Following your logic (and now it is logical) Dooley gets the credit for recruiting and coaching those guys, right? And if those guys thrashed most defenses we played how come so many people here seem to think Dooley was such a bad coach (I don't but it's funny how many people make this casual remark about how good those guys were but are not willing to give any credit to Dooley for recruiting them or coaching them).

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Didn't we just watch UF beat us with third string QB (their second string transferred). Also, in the 4th quarter one of their corners got injured and the other thrown out. But what did they do? Their coaching staffs made ADJUSTMENTS and they beat us (or did you miss Muschamp chew up their corner after he missed the assignment and Pig beat him for TD - the next time we tried to throw in that direction they intercepted. That is the difference - better coaches make do with what they have available.

Yeah its called good depth their back up corner and QB would probably be our starters, yeah he made adjustments he went into a prevent D bc it was the 4th quarter we were down 14 and had to score quick, so 99.9 percent of coaches that are leading by double digit score in the 4th quarter with less then 5 minutes left will go in a prevent, have all you want underneath but no big plays..

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

Lets see, Bosie State, TCU, and a few others have very few top twenty five classes yet somehow they still manage to have stellar seasons.

Its simple, we are so used to losing that now it is acceptable to make and believe any excuse possible to make ourselves feel better. Its quite pathetic.

 

[TGVol]

My concern from day 1 with CBJ was the fact he was now moving up to the bigs, and whether or not he can handle it. He brought over the "best staff"...which had no experience vs the best either. Everyone bashed Dooley for not having a good record before coming here, but he knew the SEC and what it took. CBJ has no clue, and now we have to ride is learning curve. For how long??
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I am still in wait and see as far as CBJ goes (but I think he made serious error with that best staff in America nonsense - he lost credibility as soon as made that comment to follow it up by bringing his Cincy staff, and unfortunately for CBJ his OC and DC are most likely going to continue make him look bad vs elite SEC teams). Having said that, I like his enthusiasm and energy so far and if he manages to keep his current recruiting class together I am going to be on board and support him for at least 3 years to see how it all works out - same as I felt Dooley deserved when he got Hunter and D Rogers to commit right after he was hired - although my support for CBJ comes with more reservations given that I felt Chaney and Wilcox were very good and would eventually get it done while I don't feel the same about our current OC and DC).

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Lets see, Bosie State, TCU, and a few others have very few top twenty five classes yet somehow they still manage to have stellar seasons.

Its simple, we are so used to losing that now it is acceptable to make and believe any excuse possible to make ourselves feel better. Its quite pathetic.

Ok give us Boise state's and TCU's schedule.

I hate losing worse then anyone, I hate losing more than I like winning but come on we are 2-2 like everyone predicted.

 

[photovol]

How many different excuses would be required to explain the last 8 years?

 

[keckjm]

1. Jancek and Martinez get fired by UGA?
2. Kiffin thrashed their defense when they were at UGA?
3. Dooley thrashed their defense when they were at Cincy?

So yes, they have SEC experience - but it's BAD experience so they have not at all proven they belong in SEC (which all of them have collectively confirmed once again vs UF).
By the way, all of you who think Dooley was such a bad coach should agree with this analysis since if bad Dooley could beat them so easily how good could they possibly be - right?

You are drawing wild conclusion based on no evidence. We beat those teams because we had better players, and a lot more play makers. Florida beat us for the same reasons. Coaching can only mask so much talent variance, but when you play against better players across the board then you are screwed. Hardly ever will you see a team like Cincy build up talent enough to beat a great SEC team year in and year out. Also, Butch beat Vandy in 2011 in a bowl game and we were lucky on a pick six to beat them with far more talent. What's that say about Dooley?

 

[TGVol]

Hardly ever will you see a team like Cincy build up talent enough to beat a great SEC team year in and year out.

You are making wild excuses for Butch - since when was our team that year we beat Cincy a great SEC team? :lolabove: