Negligent cop resonse containment thread: all criticism of cops in Uvalde goes here

[volfanhill]

That makes no sense.

What does make sense is to separate these issues logically:

A. If the police could have responded better or more quickly, that should carefully be examined to that this agency and others can be better prepared when, unfortunately as it inevitably will this occurs again.

BUT RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ISSUE FROM WHETHER THIS YOUNG MAN SHOULD HAVE HAD THE ACCESS HE DID HAVE TO GUNS.

B. It seems like everyone, save a few diehards, agrees that this young man should not have been able to buy such weaponry. At least not as easily as he did. We can debate whether gun sales of al types to all persons ought to be more strictly regulated, or whether his prior threats make him unique such that we ought to focus restrictions on his particular situation.

BUT WHAT WE CANNOT DO IS ALLOW ADVOCATES ON EITHER SIDE TO CONFUSE A WITH B.

They are separate issues.

So discussing B in the thread is ok but not discussing A. Interesting how you made that decision

 

[0nelilreb]

It is clear that we have many posters and a lot of media who are either too dumb to see the difference in the issues or are purposefully manipulating those who are by trying to distract from questions about how the shooter became so heavily armed with the firepower he managed.

Make no mistake, these are completely different issues. A faster police response might have saved, what, half the victims? Ok, then cut the death toll in half. Good point. And we need to have a discussion about the negligent police response.

But that should not be used to distract form the questions about firearm access. Thus, all posts blaming the police should be placed in this thread. Where they can sensibly be debated and not pollute the main discussion over firearms.

You are welcome for this thread.

Blah Blah Blah .. unless you are willing to start a thread for everything that relates to “ gun violence “ this won’t work . You will also kill half of the talking points the gun grabbers try to use while telling us that we don’t need this or that type of firearm . It will ultimately come down to .. it’s my right and you don’t get to take it unless you amend the constitution.

 

[lawgator1]

Blah Blah Blah .. unless you are willing to start a thread for everything that relates to “ gun violence “ this won’t work . You will also kill half of the talking points the gun grabbers try to use while telling us that we don’t need this or that type of firearm . It will ultimately come down to .. it’s my right and you don’t get to take it unless you amend the constitution.

We don't need to amend it, we need to adhere to what it actually says. This kid was not part of a well regulated militia.

 

[hUTch2002]

It is clear that we have many posters and a lot of media who are either too dumb to see the difference in the issues or are purposefully manipulating those who are by trying to distract from questions about how the shooter became so heavily armed with the firepower he managed.

Make no mistake, these are completely different issues. A faster police response might have saved, what, half the victims? Ok, then cut the death toll in half. Good point. And we need to have a discussion about the negligent police response.

But that should not be used to distract form the questions about firearm access. Thus, all posts blaming the police should be placed in this thread. Where they can sensibly be debated and not pollute the main discussion over firearms.

You are welcome for this thread.

Yeah, you don’t get to dictate who discusses what where.

 

[hog88]

We don't need to amend it, we need to adhere to what it actually says. This kid was not part of a well regulated militia.

They don’t teach how to use a comma at UF?

 

[lawgator1]

They don’t teach how to use a comma at UF?

They don't teach how to read at UT?

 

[Vol423]

With a few thousand rounds, modified magazines, plus full body armor? In a routine officer's patrol car?

GTFO

Lawgator started a thread to defend what he knows best - cowardice.

 

[hndog609]

They don’t teach how to use a comma at UF?

You know, it's one of those "rights" predicated directly on government service and largesse.

 

[Vol423]

So that people who want to criticize the police response have a place to do so freely and openly, but without causing it to distract their more simple minded brethren from the gun control issues.

This appears to be the only way that lawgator can limit his responses to being completely wrong on one subject at a time.

 

[hog88]

They don't teach how to read at UT?

Maybe so, we have several UT grads on this board as illiterate as you.

 

[lawgator1]

So discussing B in the thread is ok but not discussing A. Interesting how you made that decision

I had to separate them so that people didn't pull an Abbot and duck and cover behind A to avoid dealing with B.

 

[volfanhill]

I had to separate them so that people didn't pull an Abbot and duck and cover behind A to avoid dealing with B.

No you think what you believe is the only acceptable conversation. It's absurd and lazy. But it's you .

 

[DC_Vol]

I’m still confused exactly why this thread was started. The OP seems very proud that he was able to peel apart two complex issues and wants to now referee the discussion?

Most normal people understand they are different issues…but are capable of discussing each of them in the same thread.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I had to separate them so that people didn't pull an Abbot and duck and cover behind A to avoid dealing with B.

I’d say let’s turn it into C. Lawgator is a control freak.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Truly Amazing how one individual has been able to portray themself over the years, but is obviously trolling.

I’m here for the entertainment.

 

[Zues1]

What a stupid FN thread.
My last and only post in this one.
I suggest the rest of you let this slip into the abyss.

 

[lawgator1]

What a stupid FN thread.
My last and only post in this one.
I suggest the rest of you let this slip into the abyss.

Like kids at a school....

 

[joevol33]

With a few thousand rounds, modified magazines, plus full body armor? In a routine officer's patrol car?

GTFO

I'm still curious how the 18 year old kid could afford that, plus the truck he was driving

 

[hog88]

I'm still curious how the 18 year old kid could afford that, plus the truck he was driving

Just in arms, armor and ammunition he had to have close to $6k invested.

 

[joevol33]

Just in arms, armor and ammunition he had to have close to $6k invested.

Absolutely, I just don't get it.

 

[Vol8188]

It is clear that we have many posters and a lot of media who are either too dumb to see the difference in the issues or are purposefully manipulating those who are by trying to distract from questions about how the shooter became so heavily armed with the firepower he managed.

Make no mistake, these are completely different issues. A faster police response might have saved, what, half the victims? Ok, then cut the death toll in half. Good point. And we need to have a discussion about the negligent police response.

But that should not be used to distract form the questions about firearm access. Thus, all posts blaming the police should be placed in this thread. Where they can sensibly be debated and not pollute the main discussion over firearms.

You are welcome for this thread.

Firearm access and homicide are not correlated

 

[hog88]

Absolutely, I just don't get it.

I don’t understand why the press isn’t asking the question

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Absolutely, I just don't get it.

Maybe he worked? Aren't you guys the same ones who expect 18 year olds to be able to afford 30k a year in tuition?

 

[joevol33]

Maybe he worked? Aren't you guys the same ones who expect 18 year olds to be able to afford 30k a year in tuition?

Can you quote me saying that? And you think an 18 year old in his situation can afford all that, and the truck? I'm not being smart, I'm sincerely asking you. If you'd quit trying to see everything political, you'd see it doesn't make sense. I'm not crying conspiracy, but who gave him that kind of money?

* I was being smart about you quoting me on the tuition thing, because I know you can't.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

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