Netflix Untold: Johnny Football

[the_todd]

Manziel was a great College football player. So great that you see it fit to celebrate the fact that he screwed up what could’ve been a great nfl career with drugs and partying. Furthermore you do so behind a computer screen on a forum. Then you brag about your ability to talk **** about him….

That being said I’m not sure what’s sadder, someone with Manziel’s talent throwing it away. Or someone like you who sits behind a computer screen trashing another man’s life and thinking that it gives you some kind of higher moral ground.

Or people with penis envy justifying/defending douchebags & their actions

 

[StarRaider]

Thanks for the info. I'll watch Sweet Tooth instead!

Seinfeld re-runs fer me

 

[Volfan76]

“Nothing feels better to a coward than to watch a brave guy fall”. Dave Chappelle

Brave guy?? A guy that pissed away a career for pot?

 

[jarnol32]

Brave guy?? A guy that pissed away a career for pot?

I think it was for coke and oxy… He was brave on the field, but he got caught up in the party lifestyle and it devoured him. It’s hard to judge a guy until you walk a mile in his shoes though, all you guys who seem to hate him have no idea what would happen if you were put in his situation….

 

[LouderVol]

I think it was for coke and oxy… He was brave on the field, but he got caught up in the party lifestyle and it devoured him. It’s hard to judge a guy until you walk a mile in his shoes though, all you guys who seem to hate him have no idea what would happen if you were put in his situation….

that doesn't change the standard, and doesn't excuse him beating his GF.

just because some/most/all of us would fall into the same trap doesn't make the behavior any more acceptable. The mindset you are espousing is how this is becoming such a huge problem, especially for someone like Manziel. He has never been held accountable, people have always made excuses or exceptions for him. He got away with more because he was a football player, and then people were making excuses because he was young, or he didn't know better, or the job is difficult and stressful. He hasn't been held accountable, and it doesn't really sound like that has changed.

opening a bar back where the problems got bad doesn't sound like a positive move.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

that doesn't change the standard, and doesn't excuse him beating his GF.

just because some/most/all of us would fall into the same trap doesn't make the behavior any more acceptable. The mindset you are espousing is how this is becoming such a huge problem, especially for someone like Manziel. He has never been held accountable, people have always made excuses or exceptions for him. He got away with more because he was a football player, and then people were making excuses because he was young, or he didn't know better, or the job is difficult and stressful. He hasn't been held accountable, and it doesn't really sound like that has changed.

opening a bar back where the problems got bad doesn't sound like a positive move.

This!!!

If the day comes that he actually takes responsibility for his choices and actions, works to actively better his life and make amends, then he will gain my respect and admiration.

I have complete respect for people who admit they screwed up, who have been down to lower than dirt but managed to pick themselves up and get better.

The problem is Johnny has done none of these things, just continues to make excuses or even seemingly takes pride in just how outrageous his behavior was.

I love a good comeback story, I love redemption and I actively support those who put in the work to overcome it. I honestly hope Johnny does become one of them, but right now he most certainly is not.

 

[jarnol32]

that doesn't change the standard, and doesn't excuse him beating his GF.

just because some/most/all of us would fall into the same trap doesn't make the behavior any more acceptable. The mindset you are espousing is how this is becoming such a huge problem, especially for someone like Manziel. He has never been held accountable, people have always made excuses or exceptions for him. He got away with more because he was a football player, and then people were making excuses because he was young, or he didn't know better, or the job is difficult and stressful. He hasn't been held accountable, and it doesn't really sound like that has changed.

opening a bar back where the problems got bad doesn't sound like a positive move.

Opening a bar in a town where you are already a legend seems like a pretty good buisness decision. I don’t think you understand that with amount of money/ fame he has amassed he doesn’t play by the same rules as you and I…. Like it or not life is not fair, some people can follow every rule and not amount to anything, while others can seemingly screw up at every turn and still come out smelling like a rose.

 

[volinbham]

who let Johnnie's mom in the forum?

 

[jarnol32]

This!!!

If the day comes that he actually takes responsibility for his choices and actions, works to actively better his life and make amends, then he will gain my respect and admiration.

I have complete respect for people who admit they screwed up, who have been down to lower than dirt but managed to pick themselves up and get better.

The problem is Johnny has done none of these things, just continues to make excuses or even seemingly takes pride in just how outrageous his behavior was.

I love a good comeback story, I love redemption and I actively support those who put in the work to overcome it. I honestly hope Johnny does become one of them, but right now he most certainly is not.

I don’t understand why you think he would want or need your respect. I’d say he’s not losing sleep over anyones opinion on an internet message board.

 

[LouderVol]

Opening a bar in a town where you are already a legend seems like a pretty good buisness decision. I don’t think you understand that with amount of money/ fame he has amassed he doesn’t play by the same rules as you and I…. Like it or not life is not fair, some people can follow every rule and not amount to anything, while others can seemingly screw up at every turn and still come out smelling like a rose.

opening a bar as an allegedly recovering repentant addict? even if its not his particular vice, it doesn't mean its a good idea for him to be involved in a bar. he could open up a restaurant and it wouldn't come across as this tone deaf.

he got in trouble living it up in the party scene celebrating himself and his fame too much. so what does he do? he creates a party scene that capitalizes on his fame. it shouldn't take Einstein or Dr. Phil to break down this decision and see how sus it is.

if you don't see how this could be an incredibly slippery slope for him I don't know what to tell you.

 

[n_huffhines]

Just watched it & walked away underwhelmed. I didn't really learn anything that I had already known before watching it. Anyone else feel this way or did I miss something?

If this is the standard, I have a gut feel that Swamp Kings might come out flat as well. But that just might be my disdain for the lizard folk talking.

You fkn knew a ton about Manziel if you didn't learn anything

 

[n_huffhines]

I haven't seen all of them, but in my experience the sports series that Netflix puts out (Manti Teo, Full Swing, Aaron Hernandez, etc.) are targeting people who don't watch those sports. If you follow sports and kept up with those events as they occurred, there's virtually no new information in them.

I loved the Teo and Hernandez docs and I watch CFB. The Hernandez one was nuts. I binged it on the fastest cross country flight I've taken

 

[05_never_again]

I loved the Teo and Hernandez docs and I watch CFB. The Hernandez one was nuts. I binged it on the fastest cross country flight I've taken

The Hernandez one was a regurgitation of press reports. Very underwhelming. I could see it being interesting to people who didn't follow the story at all as it developed. The Te'o one was interesting to hear things straight from the horse's mouth, but there wasn't much new info in that either.

 

[n_huffhines]

The Hernandez one was a regurgitation of press reports. Very underwhelming. I could see it being interesting to people who didn't follow the story at all as it developed. The Te'o one was interesting to hear things straight from the horse's mouth, but there wasn't much new info in that either.

Yeah, I follow the sport but that doesn't mean I'm reading all the press reports on every Hernandez incident, and I also had little knowledge of how he was raised, who he was surrounding himself with, accounts from his Father and GF, etc.

Same thing with the Manziel doc. I know about a lot of the chaos and if you're looking for surprises there, you're not going to find them, but I still appreciate seeing who his folks are and their takes on things. His BFF who he ditched on his way to the NFL. Had no idea about that, or what his involvement had been. I didn't know anything about where Manziel was from or what HS was like for him. I didn't know what his thoughts and feelings are now. I felt like he was pretty honest, too. Not sure I believe the suicide story, but dished a lot of dirt on himself about what his thoughts and feelings were. He's also still willing to show he still has warts. I thought it was very interesting, despite knowing most of the main, sellacious bullet points.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

who let Johnnie's mom in the forum?

That or he has a Johnny Football tattoo on his ass

 

[#1fulmerite]

Manziel was a great College football player. So great that you see it fit to celebrate the fact that he screwed up what could’ve been a great nfl career with drugs and partying. Furthermore you do so behind a computer screen on a forum. Then you brag about your ability to talk **** about him….

That being said I’m not sure what’s sadder, someone with Manziel’s talent throwing it away. Or someone like you who sits behind a computer screen trashing another man’s life and thinking that it gives you some kind of higher moral ground.

That dude was electrifying in college! Watching what he did against Bama showed why he won the Heisman. Hate it for the rest of his career but, in college, he was awesome.

 

[jarnol32]

opening a bar as an allegedly recovering repentant addict? even if its not his particular vice, it doesn't mean its a good idea for him to be involved in a bar. he could open up a restaurant and it wouldn't come across as this tone deaf.

he got in trouble living it up in the party scene celebrating himself and his fame too much. so what does he do? he creates a party scene that capitalizes on his fame. it shouldn't take Einstein or Dr. Phil to break down this decision and see how sus it is.

if you don't see how this could be an incredibly slippery slope for him I don't know what to tell you.

Who said he was recovering? He had a beer in the last shot of the documentary.

 

[05_never_again]

Manziel has matured to the point where he isn't getting arrested or caught on camera doing something stupid every 6 months, which is an improvement I suppose, but I don't think he truly "gets" the magnitude of the decisions he's made and the opportunities he's blown. Personally, I don't think he would have been a productive NFL QB even if he had a great head on his shoulders, but we'll never know for sure because he was such a knucklehead.

I do wonder if the biggest reason he has calmed down isn't because he's matured, but simply because he isn't a center of attention anymore. For his sake, I hope not.

 

[n_huffhines]

I think there is more than one way to be a recovering addict. Nobody looks sideways at somebody smoking cigarettes but nicotine is most certainly a drug and it kills more than all illicit drugs combined.

If you can handle your **** on weed and alcohol and it curbs your appetite for coke and pills, do it. It's not like AA's rules are wildly successful. They have a huge failure rate.

 

[LouderVol]

Who said he was recovering? He had a beer in the last shot of the documentary.

like I said that wasn't his problem. and sitting down and having a beer is completely different than running a bar in a college town.

again if he is remorseful and trying to remove himself from the party that lead him to drugs, it seems like a bad idea to open up a bar in the town that his party problem started.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

like I said that wasn't his problem. and sitting down and having a beer is completely different than running a bar in a college town.

again if he is remorseful and trying to remove himself from the party that lead him to drugs, it seems like a bad idea to open up a bar in the town that his party problem started.

He was chugging something with his friends on video too

 

[wmcovol]

I'd be stoked to see a Netflix special on Johnny Unitas.

it was very underwhelming...I agree with OP. I still think the guy never had any intentions of playing pro football but just wanted the money to party like hell.

 

[wmcovol]

I think it was for coke and oxy… He was brave on the field, but he got caught up in the party lifestyle and it devoured him. It’s hard to judge a guy until you walk a mile in his shoes though, all you guys who seem to hate him have no idea what would happen if you were put in his situation….

I probably would have gone the Travis Henry route but practice some control over the alcohol and especially drugs.

 

[WillisWG]

 

[05_never_again]

it was very underwhelming...I agree with OP. I still think the guy never had any intentions of playing pro football but just wanted the money to party like hell.

I think he wanted to play pro ball, but thought he could just show up and wing it and be a superstar like at A&M.