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[just bob]

So you have a problem with the historical record?

Ha! It's so funny watching the inevitable deflections and you aren't disappointing! Great stuff.

 

[LouderVol]

There's nothing wrong will calling a nation by its proper name. The people of Ancient Egypt never called their country Egypt. They called their country Kemet and I try to call people by their chosen name.

you talk with a lot of ancient Egyptians?

if you are talking to Egyptians about what they call their country you would say Misr or some such variant.

I doubt you are even talking with anyone who can actually claim a real link to that ancient egypt to justify using kemet.

 

[VOLS INC.]

you talk with a lot of ancient Egyptians?

if you are talking to Egyptians about what they call their country you would say Misr or some such variant.

I doubt you are even talking with anyone who can actually claim a real link to that ancient egypt to justify using kemet.

Agreed.

When I’m talking to Vols fans, I often refer to the school as Blount College, to pay homage to the schools history. This lets them know that I can use Wikipedia to disguise the fact that I have no idea what I’m talking about.

 

[LouderVol]

Agreed.

When I’m talking to Vols fans, I often refer to the school as Blount College, to pay homage to the schools history. This lets them know that I can use Wikipedia to disguise the fact that I have no idea what I’m talking about.

He is also relying on an over simplification.

Kemet reffers to the land along the nile, going to attempt least where the white and blue niles merge. That goes far beyond Egypt.

And it just refers to the lands around the nile with "black" soil, which is what kemet means. Any of the land that was sandy was named after its "red" soil. I forget the name of that but it's not Egypt.

Kemet never referred to an administrative area/boundary like we would call a nation or kingdom today. There were never "kemetians" as a self used label. They would have referred to themselves by whatever tribe they were a part of.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

This was shortly after the Golden Age of Islam began. The period during which they preserved all the Greek philosophy, Roman engineering, and other scholarly teachings that had been lost to Europe. The Greeks had figured out the spherical nature and size of the earth centuries before the quran was written. The people that wrote the quran didn't think the earth was flat.

If you read the Quran you'll see several verses where God says he "spread the earth out like a carpet and set the mountains as fixtures holding it in place." This metaphor of a carpet being spread and being held in place by mountains was interpreted by many of the earliest Islamic scholars commentating on the Quran as an indication that the Earth was flat. In fact there are still Muslim scholars that argue the Earth is Flat because the Quran says so. They're a fringe but they do exist. And that's because it's the only rational way to read those verses.

This is why its wise not to take scientific instructions from a religious text.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

you talk with a lot of ancient Egyptians?

if you are talking to Egyptians about what they call their country you would say Misr or some such variant.

I doubt you are even talking with anyone who can actually claim a real link to that ancient egypt to justify using kemet.

Masr is the Arabic name. Misr is the Hebrew version. Both are not the indigenous name for Ancient Egypt because the Ancient Egyptians were neither Arabs nor Jews. The Ancient Egyptians were a Hamitic group. If you know your Biblical genealogy you'll know that according to the Bible modern humans are descendants of Noah's 3 sons after the Great Flood. Those three sons were named Japeth, Shem, and Ham. Japeth is said to be the father of groups like the Greeks and Persians. Shem is said to be the father of the Arabs and Jews. And Ham is said to be the father of the Nubians and Egyptians.

So according to the Bible the Arabs and Jews have nothing to do with the Ancient Egyptians. The Ancient Egyptians were actually most closely related to the Nubians according to the Bible.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

 

[Vol423]

More recently, say 10 years ago, after I started my own business, a prospective customer emailing from Europe attracted some unwanted attention. Had a couple visitors to my lab from the 3-letter agencies. After they saw I was legit they tried to enlist me in a sting, where I would let them plant a tracking device in a drum of product and ship it overseas. I did not want any part of that action.

Another reason you're on a list. I probably shouldn't even be interacting with you.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

because the roots of Islam think black people are below dogs.

Please cite a single source from either the Quran or authentic hadiths saying black people are "below dogs" or anything derogatory like that?

That's an outright lie. And the life of Prophet Muhammad and his actions totally disavow such a notion. For one, Prophet Muhammad was raised by a woman named Uma Ayman. Umm Ayman - Wikipedia

She was an Ethiopian slave of his parents and she essentially raised him after his parents died at a young age. He called her "his mother after his mother". He later freed her and she stayed with him throughout his life. He also arranged a marriage between her and the leader of a noble Arab tribe saying there's not a more worthy woman than Uma Ayman.

Another one of Muhammad's first followers was Bilal (the son of an Arab and Ethiopian female slave). Bilal ibn Rabah - Wikipedia

Muhammad also freed him and Bilal ended up becoming the first person to lead the call to prayer in Islam. He's one of the most important figures in early Islam.


And finally after the early Muslims faced persecution, Prophet Muhammad directed his followers to go to Ethiopia for refuge. He said in Ethiopia they would find a righteous King who would give them asylum. Which did happen. And it's why the Ethiopian city of Harar is considered the 4th holiest site in Islam after Mecca, Medina, and Jerusalem.

 

[VOLS INC.]

Yeah I stand by both the post I previously made and the post I made today. They are factual, which makes it easy. One can try and distract, use misdirection, argue semantics, use logical fallacies or flatly deny...but the truth remains. Islam has a real problem at its core. In its book, in a significant number of its followers as well. When muslims kill innocent people, I will bring that up in the places I deem appropriate and in accordance with the VN terms of service. Feel free not to read my posts or place me on ignore. As long as you personally do not believe that your god wants you to kill innocent people, rape young girls and women etc then I have no problem with you whatsoever.

"What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?" —Norm Macdonald

 

[C-south]

"What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?" —Norm Macdonald

That’s a lot of people with financial problems.

 

[RavinDave]

Another reason you're on a list. I probably shouldn't even be interacting with you.

Yeah, I probably am on a list. Interact at your own risk lol.

 

[Wireless1]

Another reason you're on a list. I probably shouldn't even be interacting with you.

Anyone who read that post is now probably on a list. I hope that my passes for three of my biggest customer don’t get pulled

 

[Zues1]

Meanwhile back in New Orleans
Jabbar is placing coolers with IEDs around the Bourbon Street areas.
Not one drunk looked inside one, even though apparently someone was seen on camera moving one of the coolers a few blocks..

 

[rekinhavoc]

MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell: 'Military Vets a Bigger Threat to America than Illegal Immigrants'

MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell has suggested that U.S. military veterans are more likely to be terrorists than those who have crossed the border illegally into t

www.dailyfetched.com

The media is the biggest threat. They have radicalized more terrorists at home and abroad.

 

[LouderVol]

If you read the Quran you'll see several verses where God says he "spread the earth out like a carpet and set the mountains as fixtures holding it in place." This metaphor of a carpet being spread and being held in place by mountains was interpreted by many of the earliest Islamic scholars commentating on the Quran as an indication that the Earth was flat. In fact there are still Muslim scholars that argue the Earth is Flat because the Quran says so. They're a fringe but they do exist. And that's because it's the only rational way to read those verses.

This is why its wise not to take scientific instructions from a religious text.

unless you aren't directly quoting that line 100% its not the only rational way to read those verses.

you can spread a carpet over a rounded/spheroid surface. and in that case you would definitely need the mountains to hold it in place. if its flat there isn't much need for mountains to hold it in place. where else is it going to go in the nothingness of space? what happens if it goes from being flat right where it is, to being flat somewhere else?

if anything that argument would point more towards a hollow earth belief rather than a flat earth belief.

 

[LouderVol]

Masr is the Arabic name. Misr is the Hebrew version. Both are not the indigenous name for Ancient Egypt because the Ancient Egyptians were neither Arabs nor Jews. The Ancient Egyptians were a Hamitic group. If you know your Biblical genealogy you'll know that according to the Bible modern humans are descendants of Noah's 3 sons after the Great Flood. Those three sons were named Japeth, Shem, and Ham. Japeth is said to be the father of groups like the Greeks and Persians. Shem is said to be the father of the Arabs and Jews. And Ham is said to be the father of the Nubians and Egyptians.

So according to the Bible the Arabs and Jews have nothing to do with the Ancient Egyptians. The Ancient Egyptians were actually most closely related to the Nubians according to the Bible.

so you aren't talking to ancient peoples who used to live in Egypt, but no longer do. glad we established that.

you at least misspoke a bit, Ham's first son was Cush/Kush. his people were the Kushites. Miriam/Phut/Canaan were the other brothers. There were no self identified Nubians. Nubia was a region, not a people, even in the bible. The Kushites inhabited several areas, including Nubia. other people may have called them "nubians" but they wouldn't have referred to themselves that way. Since you care so much about how ancient people identified themselves.

arabs currently live there, so I figured when you said you talked to Egyptians that is who you meant.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

unless you aren't directly quoting that line 100% its not the only rational way to read those verses.

you can spread a carpet over a rounded/spheroid surface. and in that case you would definitely need the mountains to hold it in place. if its flat there isn't much need for mountains to hold it in place. where else is it going to go in the nothingness of space? what happens if it goes from being flat right where it is, to being flat somewhere else?

if anything that argument would point more towards a hollow earth belief rather than a flat earth belief.

Nice theory. But in the 9th and 10th century when the earliest commentaries on the Quran were published the commentators of that time took those verses to indicate a flat earth because the only carpets they were aware of covered flat surfaces. It's only in modern times that Muslims are trying to make these verses fit our current scientific model. Back in the day the Muslim commentators on the Quran were saying these verses indicate a flat earth.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I always love it when borderline non-functional atheists try to revive centuries old heresies as "gotcha" moments.

Or is this guy the we wuz kangz Black Israelite goober? I can't keep my insane people straight.

I was gonna ask this yesterday but deleted it. I cant remember if D4H was the one who came on here with the Afrocentric History lessons..

"all the Egyptians were black and all the technology and knowledge in history actually came from black Africans but mean ole Whitey stole it all and took credit! "

Not sure that was him but definitely dont want to ascribe that nonsense to an innocent man so I digress. Basically, thats the "Wakanda theory" except it predates those movies. I hope that nonsense isn't being taught at community colleges or HBCUs etc... hopefully thats just people going down rabbit holes on the internet and being gullible. Whomever it was, they were incorrigible and spent days posting pictures of random Egyptian knickknacks or paintings depicting a person with features that are common in people of Sub-Saharan African descent. Its pretty well established that Egyptians were from the Levant...and likely looked a lot like Osama bin Laden and Israeli people. Hopefully that wasnt D4H, and this is irrelevant. That remark about Kemet made me wonder though...

 

[ButchPlz]

I was gonna ask this yesterday but deleted it. I cant remember if D4H was the one who came on her with the Afrocentric History lessons..

"all the Egyptians were black and all the technology and knowledge in history actually came from black Africans but mean ole Whitey stole it all and took credit! "

Pretty sure that was him but definitely dont want to ascribe that nonsense to an innocent man so I digress. Basically, thats the "Wakanda theory" except it predates those movies. I hope that nonsense isn't being taught at community colleges or HBCUs etc... hopefully thats just people going down rabbit holes on the internet and being gullible. Whomever it was, they were incorrigible and spent days posting pictures of random Egyptian knickknacks or paintings depicting a person with features that are common in people of Sub-Saharan African descent. Its pretty well established that Egyptians were from the Levant...and likely looked a lot like Osama bin Laden and Israeli people. Hopefully that wasnt D4H, and this is irrelevant. That remark about Kemet made me wonder though...

I am 100% sure it was him and the reason this argument is a waste of time is because he's literally part of a cult.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

so you aren't talking to ancient peoples who used to live in Egypt, but no longer do. glad we established that.

you at least misspoke a bit, Ham's first son was Cush/Kush. his people were the Kushites. Miriam/Phut/Canaan were the other brothers. There were no self identified Nubians. Nubia was a region, not a people, even in the bible. The Kushites inhabited several areas, including Nubia. other people may have called them "nubians" but they wouldn't have referred to themselves that way. Since you care so much about how ancient people identified themselves.

arabs currently live there, so I figured when you said you talked to Egyptians that is who you meant.

I used the term Nubia because it's the name vis-a-vis Ancient Egypt most people living today are familiar with. Obviously I know Kush is the biblical name. I was trying to use language the average person would be familiar with. Both Nubia and Kush refer to the same nation. And FTR Ethiopia is also another name that was used to refer to this nation. All three names are interchangeable.

I wanted to make sure people understood that according to the Bible the Ancient Egyptians were considered the siblings of the Nubians/Ethiopians/Kushites rather than the Arabs so that they could understand that the modern occupants of Egypt (the Arabs) have nothing to do with the Ancient Egyptians (who were more related to their Sub-Saharan African brethren).

 

[marcusluvsvols]

"What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans. Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?" —Norm Macdonald

Norm was a national treasure and died way too soon. My daughter and I still regularly watch his youtube SNL stuff. From Jeopardy to the OJ/news desk stuff he was the best to ever do it IMO. His delivery just slays em. Love it when he pauses for a second grinning from ear to ear, waiting for the live audience to get the joke...hilarious. Norm and Robin Williams joined the long list of genuinely funny people that left too soon.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I was gonna ask this yesterday but deleted it. I cant remember if D4H was the one who came on here with the Afrocentric History lessons..

"all the Egyptians were black and all the technology and knowledge in history actually came from black Africans but mean ole Whitey stole it all and took credit! "

Not sure that was him but definitely dont want to ascribe that nonsense to an innocent man so I digress. Basically, thats the "Wakanda theory" except it predates those movies. I hope that nonsense isn't being taught at community colleges or HBCUs etc... hopefully thats just people going down rabbit holes on the internet and being gullible. Whomever it was, they were incorrigible and spent days posting pictures of random Egyptian knickknacks or paintings depicting a person with features that are common in people of Sub-Saharan African descent. Its pretty well established that Egyptians were from the Levant...and likely looked a lot like Osama bin Laden and Israeli people. Hopefully that wasnt D4H, and this is irrelevant. That remark about Kemet made me wonder though...

It was me. And I don't give "afrocentric" history lessons. I simply cite primary source materials. Like right now when I cited the biblical genealogy that says the Ancient Egyptians and Kushites/Nubians/Ethiopians were related to each other as sons of Ham. In contrast to the Arabs and Jews who were the sons of Shem.

So don't get mad at me for saying the Ancient Egyptians were black. That's the Bible said it first.

 

[ButchPlz]

He's a mess. There simply HAS to be a real division or who, exactly, was the other guy when Jesus prayed? (not that I care in the least what D4H would offer as an answer, just that the monolithic singularity can't possibly make sense in that interaction)

I take these insane black supremacist types about as seriously as the Tartarian Empire mud flood goobers.

 

[kiddiedoc]

LOL. So now it's beyond us because Christianity can't explain it's own convoluted ideology of how 3 Gods are actually 1 but we can't really hold the other 2 accountable for what the 1 did eventhough they're all actually one. LOL.

I don't blame yall by the way for not being able to explain this. The Trinity is an idea that cannot be logically justified. It is by definition illogical.

You have been demonstrated numerous times in this thread to have no idea what you are talking about. If you want to continue to debate the Holy Trinity, start your own thread.

I'm getting this one back on topic.