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#26
#26
% of population with 4 or more years of college:

2005 - 28%
1995 - 23%
1985 - 20%
1975 - 14%
1965 - 9%
1957 - 7%
 
#28
#28
Percent of population with high-school diploma or higher:

2000 - 80%
1990 - 75.2%
1980 - 66.5%
1970 - 52.3%
1960 - 41.1%
1950 - 34.3%
1940 - 24.5%
 
#29
#29
volinbham said:
Percent of population with high-school diploma or higher:

2000 - 80%
1990 - 75.2%
1980 - 66.5%
1970 - 52.3%
1960 - 41.1%
1950 - 34.3%
1940 - 24.5%
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A high school diploma today is worth exactly as much as the paper its written on. A student has to go out of their way not to graduate in most school districts.
 
#30
#30
OWB said:
Wow, only 28% with 4 or more years of college? That's still pretty bad.
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I don't know what to compare it to in order to make a judgement. It has double in the last 30 years.

Do you still think we are becoming less educated? Just curious.
 
#31
#31
I am not arguing with the percentages. I do not believe that schools these days do anything more than babysit. Universities and high schools are too slow to fail kids that obviously don't get it. An easy solution would be to grade everything on a bell curve. The best, brightest, and hardest working students would pass, the rest would fail. However, they would learn more in failing under a bell curve system then they are learning now making Bs in high school and college.
 
#32
#32
OWB said:
I'll agree that we as a society don't value education, but why is that?
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Part of it is that we've got millions of people conditioned to take part in a vicious cycle of entitlement.
 
#34
#34
therealUT said:
I am not arguing with the percentages. I do not believe that schools these days do anything more than babysit. Universities and high schools are too slow to fail kids that obviously don't get it. An easy solution would be to grade everything on a bell curve. The best, brightest, and hardest working students would pass, the rest would fail. However, they would learn more in failing under a bell curve system then they are learning now making Bs in high school and college.
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Word.
 
#36
#36
hatvol96 said:
A high school diploma today is worth exactly as much as the paper its written on. A student has to go out of their way not to graduate in most school districts.
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So in looking at those numbers, when did we peak out. If you contend people are less educated today yet more as a percentage have attended more school, where was the turning point. When did each year of school become so less effective that more actually equals less?
 
#37
#37
GAVol said:
Part of it is that we've got millions of people conditioned to take part in a vicious cycle of entitlement.
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Also, we are now an instant gratification society. Educating oneself is a process far too arduous and time consuming for the X Box generation.
 
#38
#38
volinbham said:
I don't know what to compare it to in order to make a judgement. It has double in the last 30 years.

Do you still think we are becoming less educated? Just curious.
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I don't know, I think that's still pretty low.

I do know that most of that 28% are stuggling to pay off their college loans.
 
#39
#39
volinbham said:
So in looking at those numbers, when did we peak out. If you contend people are less educated today yet more as a percentage have attended more school, where was the turning point. When did each year of school become so less effective that more actually equals less?
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It starts at the beginning. Educators have become far too concerned about not hurting students' feelings and not nearly focused enough on actually demanding pupils learn. Bob Knight has a great theory on this, which I think is absolutely correct. Students haven't really changed over the years. They want to learn. The problem is that teachers have changed. They don't teach, they coddle.
 
#41
#41
hatvol96 said:
It starts at the beginning. Educators have become far too concerned about not hurting students' feelings and not nearly focused enough on actually demanding pupils learn. Bob Knight has a great theory on this, which I think is absolutely correct. Students haven't really changed over the years. They want to learn. The problem is that teachers have changed. They don't teach, they coddle.
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Good point. I know that I was more attentive in the thrid grade after Mrs. Dubose bent me over in front of the whole class and paddled my behind. I still remember that one day I was wearing parachute pants like it was yesterday. Man that stung.
 
#42
#42
hatvol96 said:
It starts at the beginning. Educators have become far too concerned about not hurting students' feelings and not nearly focused enough on actually demanding pupils learn. Bob Knight has a great theory on this, which I think is absolutely correct. Students haven't really changed over the years. They want to learn. The problem is that teachers have changed. They don't teach, they coddle.
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Starts at the beginning. That's where starting usually happens :p

Seriously, when did this happen to the degree that the population actually began becoming less educated?
 
#43
#43
OWB said:
Good point. I know that I was more attentive in the thrid grade after Mrs. Dubose bent me over in front of the whole class and paddled my behind. I still remember that one day I was wearing parachute pants like it was yesterday. Man that stung.
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Teachers often bend students over these days. However, it has nothing to do with discipline.
 
#45
#45
volinbham said:
Starts at the beginning. That's where starting usually happens :p

Seriously, when did this happen to the degree that the population actually began becoming less educated?
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When the shiftless, self indulgent losers from the Baby Boom generation highjacked the education hierarchy.
 
#48
#48
hatvol96 said:
When the shiftless, self indulgent losers from the Baby Boom generation highjacked the education hierarchy.
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Can you pinpoint the year? Or is it just speculation that this event (becoming less educated) is actually occuring?

I'm not trying to defend much of the trends in education but it is pure speculation to claim that the population is becoming less educated. Show me the data that suggest this is happening. Where is the inflection point?
 
#49
#49
OWB said:
Changed in a good way or a bad way?
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Just changed. One key way is in information processing. They are much more adept at handling multiple, simultaneous information streams. That means they have much better filters. When I started, I could get away with more lecturing - it fit the information processing mode. That is no longer the case.
 
#50
#50
volinbham said:
Can you pinpoint the year? Or is it just speculation that this event (becoming less educated) is actually occuring?

I'm not trying to defend much of the trends in education but it is pure speculation to claim that the population is becoming less educated. Show me the data that suggest this is happening. Where is the inflection point?
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I tend to put very little stock in studies done by nerdy little academicians and more in what I encounter on a daily basis. Most freshly minted college graduates I encounter lack skills I would expect from a 9th grader. Neither of my parents completed college and they are infinitely better educated than the mental midgets produced by our alleged education system today.
 
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