Next years rotation?

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#26
Anyone want to bet that the dynamic of the rotation is, at best, unsettled for next year? CCM will put his best (defensive) forward, and UT will continue to be offensively limited. Get ready for another year of tough-nosed, hard fought wins. This team will progress, but is still lacking in overall talent.
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#27
#27
roswellvol said:
Anyone want to bet that the dynamic of the rotation is, at best, unsettled for next year? CCM will put his best (defensive) forward, and UT will continue to be offensively limited. Get ready for another year of tough-nosed, hard fought wins. This team will progress, but is still lacking in overall talent.
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I think that's pretty well said, unless we can add Fabyon i see next years team being very similar.

That doesnt mean same result because i think well avoid those 4 or 5 bad losses next year, but well play the same way as you were saying IMO.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I doubt Fabyon starts at PG if we land him. It's going to take a better player to dethrone Golden.
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Really? What's that based on?

Fabyon is Pierre Jackson 2.0

The easier way to look at it is not Fabyon vs Trae, but Fabyon vs Mcbee. If Fabyon is going to start it'll be pushing Trae to the 2, so is the team better with Fabyon at the 1 and trae at the 2, or trae at the 1 and mcbee at the 2???

If you've watched Fabyon at all then you should know the answer. As i said, he's Pierre Jackson 2.0, and IMO would immediately make us 5 wins or so better, and better in every aspect overall.
 
#30
#30
Coach Martin has indicated that none of the starters have secured their positions for next season. The notion that Trae will be the starting PG automatically is, according to what I have read, incorrect. The offseason will certainly be interesting.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Really? What's that based on?

Fabyon is Pierre Jackson 2.0

The easier way to look at it is not Fabyon vs Trae, but Fabyon vs Mcbee. If Fabyon is going to start it'll be pushing Trae to the 2, so is the team better with Fabyon at the 1 and trae at the 2, or trae at the 1 and mcbee at the 2???

If you've watched Fabyon at all then you should know the answer. As i said, he's Pierre Jackson 2.0, and IMO would immediately make us 5 wins or so better, and better in every aspect overall.
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What are YOU basing Fabyon's talent on? Trae will be in his 3rd year as an SEC guard, including one year playing solid PG. If Fabyon can waltz into the SEC and produce better than Golden, then by all means, let him have it. I just see little to believe Fabyon will be the better choice at this point.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
What are YOU basing Fabyon's talent on? Trae will be in his 3rd year as an SEC guard, including one year playing solid PG. If Fabyon can waltz into the SEC and produce better than Golden, then by all means, let him have it. I just see little to believe Fabyon will be the better choice at this point.
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It'll be traes 2nd year playing PG, and fabyons about 7th. Are you familiar with Pierre Jackson? Who would you prefer at pg him or trae?

As I said also, it's not solely is he better than trae. You have to look at it this eh, which are we better...

PG: trae
SG: mcbee

OR

PG: Fabyon
SG: trae


You are in effect, asking is Fabyon better than skylar....the team is immediately all around better by adding Fabyon. As I said its not as much about is he better than trae as it is, is the team better. To me it's a no brainier. By adding Fabyon you immediately have a true pg, a pg who can dribble very well and knows how to penetrate, you upgrade the 2 spot, you improve your defense...the list really goes on & on.

Point being, you immediately become a more talented and better overall team by adding a player like Fabyon.
 
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I am directly asking you how you know Fabyon is better than Golden. I certainly don't know, that's why I'm giving Golden the benefit of the doubt. Like I said, if Fabyon is better, I have no problem with him starting at PG, but I've heard nothing aside from your praise to suggest that he would be a better choice.
 
#36
#36
With fabyon:

Fabyon
Golden
Edwards
Maymon
Stokes

W/O Fabyon:

Golden
Richardson
Edwards
Maymon
Stokes
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I am directly asking you how you know Fabyon is better than Golden. I certainly don't know, that's why I'm giving Golden the benefit of the doubt. Like I said, if Fabyon is better, I have no problem with him starting at PG, but I've heard nothing aside from your praise to suggest that he would be a better choice.
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1. Speaking with recruiting analysts
2. Watching film on him
3. Going off what coaches and former players have said about him
4. His performances against other d1 talent
5. His numbers at one of the best juco schools in the country
6. The fact Kansas and Ohio state are also in on him



And as I said, it's not only about Fabyon vs Trae, it's more than that. It's impossible to say he's better at PG than Trae without him actually doing it, but the same could have been said about jarnell vs Kenny. My main point is this, the team is better with trae and Fabyon on the floor together than with trae and skylar. It's really as simple as that.
 
#39
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Makes sense.
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Ive been one of traes biggest supporters but I also realize the opportunity Fabyon presents...

What were our biggest weaknesses this year in your opinion???

-ball handling
- ball movement
-zone offense
- consistent outside shooting
- play maker at the 2
- guard defense
- guard quickness

All those were things IMO we hurt in, and are all things that's by adding Fabyon we improve in dramatically.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You wanna bet on that?

If we land Fabyon he's not riding the pine, not a chance. If we don't then yes you're correct, but you can bet your house on it if we land Fabyon trae will be playing the 2 te majority of the time.
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No, but he won't start.

CCM has said MULTIPLE TIMES throughout the season that Trae is the point guard.

Fabyon is going to be a change of pace PG, not a 30 minute a night PG. You know how he plays. It's different than what Coach Zo wants from his PG.

Fabyon is good, and has talent, and would love to have him as the backup, but you are severely over hyping him.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
1. Speaking with recruiting analysts
2. Watching film on him
3. Going off what coaches and former players have said about him
4. His performances against other d1 talent
5. His numbers at one of the best juco schools in the country
6. The fact Kansas and Ohio state are also in on him



And as I said, it's not only about Fabyon vs Trae, it's more than that. It's impossible to say he's better at PG than Trae without him actually doing it, but the same could have been said about jarnell vs Kenny. My main point is this, the team is better with trae and Fabyon on the floor together than with trae and skylar. It's really as simple as that.
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Considering Fabyon hasn't touched a D1 floor in over a year, that's probably a statement strictly opinion.
 
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zjcvols said:
No, but he won't start.

CCM has said MULTIPLE TIMES throughout the season that Trae is the point guard.

Fabyon is going to be a change of pace PG, not a 30 minute a night PG. You know how he plays. It's different than what Coach Zo wants from his PG.

Fabyon is good, and has talent, and would love to have him as the backup, but you are severely over hyping him.
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So you feel the same about Pierre Jackson and Chris jones?

Sorry but if Fabyon comes here its not going to be a 10 minute a night "change of pace" guy. You can doubt him if you'd like, and can hype Trae all you'd like but there's a reason this guy is the most sought after juco player this year, and is garnering the attention of Kansas & Ohio State.

And also just like another poster said, CCM also said very blatantly that nobody has a starting spot returning, it will be an open competition and starting spots will be earned. As I said earlier, it's not just trae vs Fabyon, it's how's the team better, and if we can move trae to the 2 and have atleast the same caliber PG if not better,then we're immediately better. It's not even arguable.
 
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zjcvols said:
Considering Fabyon hasn't touched a D1 floor in over a year, that's probably a statement strictly opinion.
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Once again...so you feel the same about Pierre Jackson and Chris jones?

As I said earlier, from everything ive heard from people who coach and scout for a living, and from former players this guy is a high major d1 starter.

Not just my opinion, it's most people's opinion that have done their homework on the guy and have scouted him.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Once again...so you feel the same about Pierre Jackson and Chris jones?

As I said earlier, from everything ive heard from people who coach and scout for a living, and from former players this guy is a high major d1 starter.

Not just my opinion, it's most people's opinion that have done their homework on the guy and have scouted him.
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I'm inclined to take a wait and see approach. A true PG may be able to take Trae's position away from him, but it's tough to discount two years of experience actually playing in a high major role. Trae will have another off season under his belt as well.
 
#45
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MannyD said:
I'm inclined to take a wait and see approach. A true PG may be able to take Trae's position away from him, but it's tough to discount two years of experience actually playing in a high major role. Trae will have another off season under his belt as well.
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Very true, but Fabyon has played pg his whole career, and aau. It's not like he's learning a new position it's what he's always played. Anybody who watched Pierre Jackson much this year would have done anything to add him to our team....well here's our chance.

Fabyon would also get this off season with the staff as well.
 
#46
#46
I just don't see Golden at the SG. Who is he going to guard? If Harris does sign, what is he listed at? 5'9"? So an undersized PG and an undersized SG? I just don't see it. I think Golden would excel on the offensive end at the SG but defensively he would become too much of a liability.
 
#47
#47
zansdad said:
I just don't see Golden at the SG. Who is he going to guard? If Harris does sign, what is he listed at? 5'9"? So an undersized PG and an undersized SG? I just don't see it. I think Golden would excel on the offensive end at the SG but defensively he would become too much of a liability.
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How big are walker & boynton?
 
#49
#49
Also worth noting CCM last team, and mkt successfull went: 6', 6'2, 6'3, 6'6, 6'9


I realize that's Missouri state, but just thought id share.
 
#50
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bleedingTNorange said:
You're higher than Kenny!
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look, i've got a right to my opinion. you have yours, which you think is always right, but it isn't. he asked a question and i gave an answer. quit telling me i'm high, because i don't do drugs !! i'm tired of your smart ass answers to my opinions. you never do this to anyone on here but me. why don't you just hit the ignore button on me then you would not have to see my answers. you kids think you know it all and have been around forever. i have been follwoing u t basketball for 47 years and have forgotten more than you will ever know. stay off my back. you are pretty good on some things you talk about, but let me have my opinion and you can have yours. if we agree do disagree then fine, but don't cut me down on here if front of others. learn some manners !!!! i sure hope you don't post on football forums, because if you do i can really take you to school on that !!!!
 
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