Neyland Entertainment District

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#101
Hawkeye4588 said:
I might as well throw this here since we discussed on this thread how the strip is changing:

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The OG Copper Cellar is officially closed and being demolished after 48 years.
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Oh nooooo
 
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EasternVol said:
The way they've been closing dorms left and right it looks like they've been intentionally exacerbating the housing problem. Which leads to the aforementioned question of conflict of interest.
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UT hasn’t closed any dorm without more than replacing the beds that were lost. There are currently more than 1,000 more on campus housing beds than there were five years ago. UT is continuing to build new dorms to add to its capacity, but the school was also under pressure to increase enrollment, which did leave students in a crunch for housing after their first year on campus.
 
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LouderVol said:
considering the entertainment district is supposed to function WITH Neyland stadium I think the concerns about parking/traffic fall under the typical game day experience. You aren't bringing in even more people than the couple hundred thousand on gameday already there, you are just giving them something to do. any of the game day/big events already have police on hand for directing traffic. G10 is already going to have to be torn down to do this just from a structural standpoint, I imagine the entire "underground" of this new district will be parking, see Atlantic Station in Atlanta for an example. probably would be able to increase parking, depending on the design.

as has been mentioned most of the strip is gone, so that is what this is replacing, and it won't be directly competing with downtown.

UT already leases land to multiple businesses. Various restaurants operate in the Student Union building. And I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that land where the Walmart is between main campus and the AG campus is University property, so I think there is some more precedence there. Someone may be able to check me there though.

I would assume during normal operations its campus police, and the city police get called in on big events. just as it already is.

Not sure about the utilities but I don't think those are holding back any of the other expansions going on on UT's campus, so I don't think this is much of a concern. This district's peak time is also going to be when the rest of the campus is relatively light. on the weekends, or late at night, you don't have students in all the various classrooms using that power, water, etc.
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Just to be clear, they are not tearing down G10, this entertainment District is going to be built atop the existing structure. The G10 garage was designed to have the ability to be expanded to three or four more levels, so the structure can support what is being planned to be put there.

UT does not currently lease of space to outside businesses, so that will be a pretty significant change. All of the current on-campus restaurants are licensed locations operated by the university’s food service provider, Aramark. They own and operate the Chick-fil-A, Qdoba, steak ‘n Shake, etc. places in the student union and dining halls.

They do not own the plot where Publix is, nor the former Walmart location. That was formerly an industrial site that has never been owned by the university and is not presently. UT did allow the developer of that project to connect to the existing bridge to the ag campus, but that was the only involvement that UT had with that project.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
UT hasn’t closed any dorm without more than replacing the beds that were lost. There are currently more than 1,000 more on campus housing beds than there were five years ago. UT is continuing to build new dorms to add to its capacity, but the school was also under pressure to increase enrollment, which did leave students in a crunch for housing after their first year on campus.
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Why have they knocked down relatively new dorms, and what will replace the dorms they announced recently to be closed? There's a huge number of new and announced off-campus apartments on Cumberland which seemingly could be more economically served by dorms.
Do you know if there's a table of dorm capacity by year or at each addition / subtraction?
 
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EasternVol said:
Why have they knocked down relatively new dorms, and what will replace the dorms they announced recently to be closed? There's a huge number of new and announced off-campus apartments on Cumberland which seemingly could be more economically served by dorms.
Do you know if there's a table of dorm capacity by year or at each addition / subtraction?
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They haven’t knocked down any relatively new dorms, they were all pre-1975. Most were pre-1970. All of the dorms that have been closed have been replaced with larger capacity dorms with more modern floor plans. And that will continue, the announcements of dorm closings all contained the replacement plans.

I haven’t seen a year-by-year breakdown of bed capacity, but it hasn’t gone down at any point. They built the new Fred Brown Hall on Andy Holt and the building that replaced Shelbourne Towers before beginning the replacement project.

Sure, more on-campus housing would be more economical for students after their freshman year, but there’s not much demand for it either here or at peer institutions. They’ll continue to build off-campus apartments as long as demand continues to outpace supply. And once those apartments on the strip are done, you’ll see the strip come back with ground level bars and restaurants that serve the thousands of students that will live above them.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
They haven’t knocked down any relatively new dorms, they were all pre-1975. Most were pre-1970. All of the dorms that have been closed have been replaced with larger capacity dorms with more modern floor plans. And that will continue, the announcements of dorm closings all contained the replacement plans.

I haven’t seen a year-by-year breakdown of bed capacity, but it hasn’t gone down at any point. They built the new Fred Brown Hall on Andy Holt and the building that replaced Shelbourne Towers before beginning the replacement project.

Sure, more on-campus housing would be more economical for students after their freshman year, but there’s not much demand for it either here or at peer institutions. They’ll continue to build off-campus apartments as long as demand continues to outpace supply. And once those apartments on the strip are done, you’ll see the strip come back with ground level bars and restaurants that serve the thousands of students that will live above them.
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Thanks. I suppose those that were knocked down were all pre-1975 because post 1975 dorms didn't exist except for the very new ones. It still seems that UT's trying to push housing off-campus to the detriment of students and their parents. Comparing enrollment and dorm capacity over time would help clarify that.
 
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EasternVol said:
Thanks. I suppose those that were knocked down were all pre-1975 because post 1975 dorms didn't exist except for the very new ones. It still seems that UT's trying to push housing off-campus to the detriment of students and their parents. Comparing enrollment and dorm capacity over time would help clarify that.
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UT is not trying to push anything. They have offered very limited upper classmen housing for at least the last 25 years. Outside of international students and Greek life, I am not aware of more than a couple hundred upperclassman that have lived on campus over that timeframe. And it’s not just UT, my law firm has graduates of a dozen different universities, and I don’t know of any of us that lived in on campus housing past our freshman year. That’s just not really something that happens anymore, and hasn’t in at least 25 years.
 
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GAVol said:
Has anyone actually noticed that there aren't very many places in Neyland Stadium where you can actually see the river or the mountains that you're worried about blocking the view of?
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How much taller than the press and sky boxes is the hotel?
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Just to be clear, they are not tearing down G10, this entertainment District is going to be built atop the existing structure. The G10 garage was designed to have the ability to be expanded to three or four more levels, so the structure can support what is being planned to be put there.

UT does not currently lease of space to outside businesses, so that will be a pretty significant change. All of the current on-campus restaurants are licensed locations operated by the university’s food service provider, Aramark. They own and operate the Chick-fil-A, Qdoba, steak ‘n Shake, etc. places in the student union and dining halls.

They do not own the plot where Publix is, nor the former Walmart location. That was formerly an industrial site that has never been owned by the university and is not presently. UT did allow the developer of that project to connect to the existing bridge to the ag campus, but that was the only involvement that UT had with that project.
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as jacked as it seems the structural loading for people is far heavier than cars.

for assembly spaces you are looking at 100psf, garages are somewhere around 40 or 50psf. and thats not including the buildings themselves. that extra capacity disappears super fast.

and then you get into the logistics of the structure. Parking garages have a different set of spacing that you will use in most other construction types. so you would have to add some HUGE, as in multiple feet thick, transfer beams to make a new platform work. Which CAN be done. But I wouldn't be shocked if tear down and building new ended up being cheaper. It also gives you a LOT more design freedom. and then if you are maintaining G10 you have to make sure that existing parking continues to work with everything else you are adding. because the actual logistics of getting semis into the garage or some new separate loading area is probably going to conflict with the existing passenger traffic. especially if they want to operate this more than 7 saturdays out of the year.

then you have all the services that are getting thrown in, not enough water, power, heating/cooling. that all needs a place to live as well. trash will sneak up on you too. on you are cutting a LOT of holes for those if you are trying to retrofit G10.

when I saw they were only giving 4 weeks for an RFP that told me one of two things. One there is already an insider who has done a LOT of work already on this that the university is already working with and the 4 weeks was just state minimum. This would take far longer than 4 weeks to do more than some even the most preliminary studies. the other option is that they really aren't expecting a whole lot, and this will be a lot more strip mall than Battery. I would feel far better if it was an RFQ with 4 weeks, and maybe a 2 month RFP process.

The deal with Aramak would be a key piece of this too, depending on arrangements again that makes me feel more strip mall than Battery.
 
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#110
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wmcovol said:
They had to pass a law in Toronto I believe to make it illegal to “do the deed” with windows open in the rooms adjoining the stadium.
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LOL "Why does that guy up there keep yelling Touchdown!!!?" "The game hasn't even started"
 
#112
#112
moving to the next phase:

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Neyland Entertainment District: An Unparalleled Rocky Top Experience Heads to RFP Phase - University of Tennessee Athletics

Next step in this transformational project along the Tennessee River
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Request For Proposal

Sounds like they are looking for someone to foot the bill while they give discounted leases.

theoretically this step (RFP) will lead to UT choosing a winner and that will be the team that pushes forward with the design. not sure if that means just designing a plan for the whole area, or all the way through ALL of the construction. with how big it is, and to avoid disrupting too much of the football season, I would expect them to break it into phases.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
UT is not trying to push anything. They have offered very limited upper classmen housing for at least the last 25 years. Outside of international students and Greek life, I am not aware of more than a couple hundred upperclassman that have lived on campus over that timeframe. And it’s not just UT, my law firm has graduates of a dozen different universities, and I don’t know of any of us that lived in on campus housing past our freshman year. That’s just not really something that happens anymore, and hasn’t in at least 25 years.
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Your law firm? By God, you're Derek Dooley! 😉
 
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DeerPark12 said:
UT is not trying to push anything. They have offered very limited upper classmen housing for at least the last 25 years. Outside of international students and Greek life, I am not aware of more than a couple hundred upperclassman that have lived on campus over that timeframe. And it’s not just UT, my law firm has graduates of a dozen different universities, and I don’t know of any of us that lived in on campus housing past our freshman year. That’s just not really something that happens anymore, and hasn’t in at least 25 years.
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I agree with you that upperclassman prefer apartments or a shared house if possible. Also, some of those dorms really needed to go and Carrick needs to be the next one to come down. My son was stuck in that dump as a freshman and spent the whole year with the “Carrick cough” due to poor indoor air quality. Off campus with at least one roommate and basic cooking skills is more economical than on-campus IMO.
 
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#117
TN/LA said:
Having a 12-story hotel/condo towering over the stadium and blocking/altering the view of the stadium from the river doesn't sound great.
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You're just straight wrong. Sorry bud. There is literally nothing to do down there until the game starts but stand in a massive crowd. It's difficult to even get a beer before the game
 
#119
#119
mattdingus2002 said:
Whichever restaurant sells beer and is open late. Students will love it and pack the place if there’s a bar on campus. Personally I want an Applebees but that’s just me
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When Applebees went away from the fern bar look it lost its ambiance. Ours is depressing as all get out now.
 
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TN/LA said:
Having a 12-story hotel/condo towering over the stadium and blocking/altering the view of the stadium from the river doesn't sound great.
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yeah but money. who cares about a beautiful fall day when money is being given to the school
 
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