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[GrowVol]

The Heisman lost all credibility that night when Peyton got passed over. Fast forward till now....Jameis Winston wins Heisman....WOW. The Heisman has no meaning to me anymore. An employee at Wal Mart getting an award for employee of the year...is more important than the Heisman dog and pony show.

 

[99gator]

How can you base it on what essentially became a meaningless game?

I'm telling you what I think Heisman voters were thinking.

Whether it's right or wrong is a different argument

 

[utvolpj]

How can you base it on what essentially became a meaningless game?

Because he's simply bringing up the Heisman to annoy UT fans. It's what he does

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I'm not knocking Manning.

He was a worthy candidate.

Woodson had a better year. He seemed to make a spectacular play whenever his team needed it when the cameras were there.

Wrong. Like it or not, believe what you want but ESPN was all over Michigan in 1997. They thought the Wolverines were the best thing since sliced bread. Was Woodson good? Absolutely. Was he the better player who had a better season? Absolutely not.

Did you watch the Heisman ceremony that year? If you did you would seen the utter shock on peoples faces when Woodson's name was called. Most were expecting Manning to win it despite the UF loss. Woodson did not deserve the award. Proof of that is NO primarily defensive player has won the award since. And there have been much better defensive players since Woodson that did not win it.

 

[Ainge2Meachem]

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[paradox89]

Thank God we were able to beat ourselves.

The only similarity between the '98 team and the Vols of the past few years... :-(

 

[MrBiggles]

Wrong. Like it or not, believe what you want but ESPN was all over Michigan in 1997. They thought the Wolverines were the best thing since sliced bread. Was Woodson good? Absolutely. Was he the better player who had a better season? Absolutely not.

Did you watch the Heisman ceremony that year? If you did you would seen the utter shock on peoples faces when Woodson's name was called. Most were expecting Manning to win it despite the UF loss. Woodson did not deserve the award. Proof of that is NO primarily defensive player has won the award since. And there have been much better defensive players since Woodson that did not win it.

My exact thoughts! Has any defensive player been invited since other than Matthieu? Peyton Manning should have won it! Woodson was good, but he shouldn't have even been in the discussion at that time. Maybe he should have finished 3-4 at that years award ceremony. Yes, his team was the best team, but it could be argued that Greise was the leader much like Brady gets credit for the Patriots SB wins. The Heisman has now become a running back or QB trophy really depending on which news service promotes the player. I remember a NBC news caster who worked for the Boston Globe saying he voted for Woodson, because his team won its biggest game and Manning's lost.
It's like the Geno Toretta vs Marshall Faulk year. If you're picking the best player that year it's Faulk hands down not Toretta.
Funny thing is now, everyone has Peyton promoting a product or listening to him and Woodson isn't even heard from.

 

[PowerT83]

Manti Teo and that was mainly because he was on a team that gets a whole lot of love from the media. Much like Michigan that year.

Charles Woodson is gonna be in the Hall of Fame. He was a great player in college and in the NFL. Woodson shined in the last game of the season against an overrated OSU and that game won him the trophy. The Florida team Peyton & Co. lost to was damn good I don't know how they lost to Uga that year but they did.

I would of loved to of played Michigan in a bowl game that season. Fulmer & Chavis always had trouble stopping the triple option and playing against Nebraska you were literally playing against the triple option suped-up on steroids.

 

[smokey0625]

To this day...I still am... :banghead2::banghead2::finger3:

I just shot my tv again after reading the op. Horrific flashback. I will not visit this thread again.

 

[99gator]

Wrong. Like it or not, believe what you want but ESPN was all over Michigan in 1997. They thought the Wolverines were the best thing since sliced bread. Was Woodson good? Absolutely. Was he the better player who had a better season? Absolutely not.

Did you watch the Heisman ceremony that year? If you did you would seen the utter shock on peoples faces when Woodson's name was called. Most were expecting Manning to win it despite the UF loss. Woodson did not deserve the award. Proof of that is NO primarily defensive player has won the award since. And there have been much better defensive players since Woodson that did not win it.

Not wrong.

These are opinions. There is no right or wrong. There is no definitive criteria as to how they give the award.

I went and looked up the voting for the award and 101 people didn't give a 1st place vote to woodson or manning. 101 people thought someone else should have won the award.

Woodson had 150 more 1st place votes than Manning. So, you are mentioning the "shock" that occured, but based on the vote count, it wasn't really a nail biter. Woodson got more 1st place votes than several Heisman trophy winners.

The funniest thing about this argument is people are blaming ESPN and 800+ people voted on the award that year. ESPN did not force anyone to vote a certain way.

 

[BennisDrewer]

The point I am making with the question is that for the general public, there is no memorable Peyton Manning game.

There is no heisman moment.

Personnally, I think the right guy won in 1997.

 

[BowlBrother85]

The "Never go full retard" gif would have worked too.