NFL Talent on this Team

#26
#26
Oldvoldad said:
Spraggins and Coop coming back may the biggest need this team has.
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These guys would be foolish not to return. Neither are getting any NFL sniffs. Another year can drastically change that. In the 2023 draft a third round OT received a 4 year $5,750,443 contract with $1,182,140 guaranteed. An OT drafted in the seventh round signed a 4 year, $3,945,488 contract with $105,488 guaranteed. Not to say these guys would be first rounders, but the lowest OT in the first round signed a 4 year, $16,626,352 contract with $16,626,352 guaranteed (1st round contracts are fully guaranteed). It certainly will pay to stay. Go Vols!
 
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#27
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NighthawkVol said:
I found this list of top 300 draft eligible players. Only 3 Vols on here, Baron at #169, McCoy (who isn't playing) at #282, and Milton at #298. Compare that with our opponents like Alabama and Georgia who have too many to count. Kentucky has more. Hell, Vandy's highest player is higher than Tennessee's. Florida has two higher than Tennessee's highest ranked player.

I think this highlights that Tennessee is still not playing with close to the same hand, talent-wise, as the teams it's competing with.

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Goes right back to having a great QB!!!!
 
#29
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NighthawkVol said:
I found this list of top 300 draft eligible players. Only 3 Vols on here, Baron at #169, McCoy (who isn't playing) at #282, and Milton at #298. Compare that with our opponents like Alabama and Georgia who have too many to count. Kentucky has more. Hell, Vandy's highest player is higher than Tennessee's. Florida has two higher than Tennessee's highest ranked player.

I think this highlights that Tennessee is still not playing with close to the same hand, talent-wise, as the teams it's competing with.

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Elijah Simmons and Tamarion McDonald are probable NFL guys that will get free agent looks.

CJP and his staff did recruit some NFL talent like Hooker, Hyatt and Tillman as well as the aforementioned players to Tennessee and they just could not recruit enough of these players or coach them up.
 
#30
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NighthawkVol said:
I found this list of top 300 draft eligible players. Only 3 Vols on here, Baron at #169, McCoy (who isn't playing) at #282, and Milton at #298. Compare that with our opponents like Alabama and Georgia who have too many to count. Kentucky has more. Hell, Vandy's highest player is higher than Tennessee's. Florida has two higher than Tennessee's highest ranked player.

I think this highlights that Tennessee is still not playing with close to the same hand, talent-wise, as the teams it's competing with.
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I wouldn't go that far.

What we're seeing is the "recruiting cliff" from the Pruitt firing. Pruitt, in spite of cheating, recruited reasonably well his first few years. Heupel has also recruited well, but had a "limbo" period where it was tough for him to recruit because the NCAA investigation overhanging the school. So we're feeling the impact of that right now.

We have a lot of young talent on the offensive side. Our best WR right now is a true Freshman. But since most of our best recruits are young, it's difficult to be competitive with the top of the SEC. Heupel is doing a great job with what we have IMO.

So in a way, you're right, but I'd say more accurately, we just have a very young team compared to the top of the SEC.
 
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#32
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NighthawkVol said:
I found this list of top 300 draft eligible players. Only 3 Vols on here, Baron at #169, McCoy (who isn't playing) at #282, and Milton at #298. Compare that with our opponents like Alabama and Georgia who have too many to count. Kentucky has more. Hell, Vandy's highest player is higher than Tennessee's. Florida has two higher than Tennessee's highest ranked player.

I think this highlights that Tennessee is still not playing with close to the same hand, talent-wise, as the teams it's competing with.

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You can't go by that alone.

A lot of NFL talent on USC and they're not even Top 20 anymore.
Wright
Walker
Beasley
Thomas

Will all get drafted in April and they weren't even on the list.
 
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volfan_28 said:
Martinez must be the best DB coach in the country. That’s the only logical explanation
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PFF graded him top five, but most draft sites don’t have Hadden listed. I saw one that had him as a 6th rounder before the injury. I have been repeatedly flamed in the Hadden thread about my thoughts on him not being top 5 corner good. He is a good college corner and I am fine with that. He isn’t some lockdown guy though he is clearly better than anything else we have. IMHO,PFF grades are really suspect at times though I think Hadden is definitely a guy with the tools to play in the NFL. His injury was really unfortunate for him. I don’t see how a borderline guy coming off injury is going to get the benefit of the doubt. Our DBs have fared decently well in recent years. Hadden has a reported 4.3-4.4 40 and some good games this season, so maybe he gets drafted. I just feel bad for him because this injury screws him.
 
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LittleVol said:
You can't go by that alone.

A lot of NFL talent on USC and they're not even Top 20 anymore.
Wright
Walker
Beasley
Thomas

Will all get drafted in April and they weren't even on the list.
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We have a lot of late rounders this year. The big question will be do the late round guys stick around another year if possible or go to the draft. Thomas isn’t even our best DT but has the most potential. Can’t teach that frame.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
I found this list of top 300 draft eligible players. Only 3 Vols on here, Baron at #169, McCoy (who isn't playing) at #282, and Milton at #298. Compare that with our opponents like Alabama and Georgia who have too many to count. Kentucky has more. Hell, Vandy's highest player is higher than Tennessee's. Florida has two higher than Tennessee's highest ranked player.

I think this highlights that Tennessee is still not playing with close to the same hand, talent-wise, as the teams it's competing with.

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I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what the media says about anything. After watching these guys (the media), most of them just repeat what someone else wrote. Rarely do they invest time in doing their own research. Remember, they said Thorton was going to be the greatest WR we've ever seen as an example.
 
#39
#39
Tman44 said:
These guys would be foolish not to return. Neither are getting any NFL sniffs. Another year can drastically change that. In the 2023 draft a third round OT received a 4 year $5,750,443 contract with $1,182,140 guaranteed. An OT drafted in the seventh round signed a 4 year, $3,945,488 contract with $105,488 guaranteed. Not to say these guys would be first rounders, but the lowest OT in the first round signed a 4 year, $16,626,352 contract with $16,626,352 guaranteed (1st round contracts are fully guaranteed). It certainly will pay to stay. Go Vols!
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So how does that correlate to IOL? Carvin stayed as long as his eligibility lasted and was an UDFA. I was a proponent of Trey Smith coming back for what would be his final season to prove he could string together two consecutive clot free seasons…that got him drafted in the 6th. Better than UDFA, but he was a generational talent as an OG.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Pearce is a sophomore
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I am aware. Still doesn't change the fact he is going to be a draft pick barring career ending injury in a year. That's more what my post is referring to. We have talent, a lot of it we haven't see much of. We are gonna be ok
 
#42
#42
BigALWiLson said:
I am aware. Still doesn't change the fact he is going to be a draft pick barring career ending injury in a year. That's more what my post is referring to. We have talent, a lot of it we haven't see much of. We are gonna be ok
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I was under the impression we were talking about draft edible guys possibly leaving this year
 
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#43
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NighthawkVol said:
I found this list of top 300 draft eligible players. Only 3 Vols on here, Baron at #169, McCoy (who isn't playing) at #282, and Milton at #298. Compare that with our opponents like Alabama and Georgia who have too many to count. Kentucky has more. Hell, Vandy's highest player is higher than Tennessee's. Florida has two higher than Tennessee's highest ranked player.

I think this highlights that Tennessee is still not playing with close to the same hand, talent-wise, as the teams it's competing with.

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I'd be shocked if senior OL from this group aren't drafted. Don't know how much I trust that list. Well, not much apparently.
 
#44
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butchna said:
So how does that correlate to IOL? Carvin stayed as long as his eligibility lasted and was an UDFA. I was a proponent of Trey Smith coming back for what would be his final season to prove he could string together two consecutive clot free seasons…that got him drafted in the 6th. Better than UDFA, but he was a generational talent as an OG.
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Agree 100%. Correlation to inside offensive lineman is that if Smith would have stayed, odds are he would have been the first pick of them. Instead of Trey, Kenyon Green was the first OG taken in the 2022 draft with a 4 year, $15,953,405 guaranteed contract. Trey Smith signed a 4 year, $3,610,708 contact, $130,708 guaranteed in 2021. So that illustrates my point. Stay and make more $$$$$$
 
#45
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Tman44 said:
Agree 100%. Correlation to inside offensive lineman is that if Smith would have stayed, odds are he would have been the first pick of them. Instead of Trey, Kenyon Green was the first OG taken in the 2022 draft with a 4 year, $15,953,405 guaranteed contract. Trey Smith signed a 4 year, $3,610,708 contact, $130,708 guaranteed in 2021. So that illustrates my point. Stay and make more $$$$$$
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Or you waste a year towards your SECOND contract. You’re either good enough for the next level or you’re not. The draft is the ultimate crapshoot. “Odds” go out the window. You think he feels cheated making $940k this season and $1,055,000 in the last season (which should be bumped up big time if they extend him)? On the POSSIBILITY he goes a round or two higher? There were draft projections of 2-4 when he declared. The Underwear Olympics and Pro Days did what they do every season…overthink it.
 
#46
#46
butchna said:
Or you waste a year towards your SECOND contract. You’re either good enough for the next level or you’re not. The draft is the ultimate crapshoot. “Odds” go out the window. You think he feels cheated making $940k this season and $1,055,000 in the last season (which should be bumped up big time if they extend him)? On the POSSIBILITY he goes a round or two higher? There were draft projections of 2-4 when he declared. The Underwear Olympics and Pro Days did what they do every season…overthink it.
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Again, agree. But if you don't get signed there is no contract, much less a second contract. The guys I originally posted about might get a camp hand invite at best if they leave this year. If they stay, odds are better.

If ya don't believe me, go search the NFL draft prospect sites. Our guys don't even show up in the top 25, where as only around 12 per position are even signed, much less drafted.
 
#47
#47
VOLfrombama said:
I think that bodes well for next year. IF, and it's a big IF atp, Sprag and Coop come back, this line could be much improved, which is exactly what this O needs, especially when breaking in a new Qb.
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Next year worries me. A new QB and what’s bound to be an almost new o-line does not bode well for potential success. Hopefully this fanbase understands that and throws Heupel et. al. a bone…but we all know that won’t happen.
 
#48
#48
Tman44 said:
Again, agree. But if you don't get signed there is no contract, much less a second contract. The guys I originally posted about might get a camp hand invite at best if they leave this year. If they stay, odds are better.
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If you don’t get signed, you’re not good enough to play in the NFL. If you get drafted after the first round, you only receive what was negotiated as a guaranteed bonus. Alex Leatherwood is out of the league after being a first rounder. Emil Ekiyor exhausted his eligibility at the same school (Bama) when he was projected as a fourth rounder if he had declared the previous season. Went undrafted but is in the league with the Colts.
 
#50
#50
BigALWiLson said:
Hadden, McCoy, Milton, Wright, Sampson, J. CAMPBELL, Baron, O. Thomas, Mincey, Pearce, Spraggins would all be my guesses as to who is drafted. McCoy and Mincey will likely return. Mincey would probably be the LT next year vs a freshman protecting Nico. If he plays well then he goes higher in the draft. Bru needs to return off injury and show he can play effectively after that injury. But all of those guys have NFL talent. Hell maybe Eason too. Yes I know Sampson isn't eligible for the draft yet
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Pearce isn’t eligible for draft either. He is a true Sophmore. Spraggins and May likely stay along with Mincey. All could move up in draft with another year. GBO
 
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