Nico by the numbers...

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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
Why the hell would a random poster just have a copy of the contract? 🙄
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Why would a random poster assume that unconfirmed media reports are gospel truth and then use it as a basis for an opinion? Did you really not get the point of showing that the poster did not KNOW what he claimed to know?
 
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NetworkVol said:
I reckon I can not. Is there proof of any NIL deal accessible to the public? Its not just one article, its even on On3.
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Most of the On3 numbers are BS as well. No one other than Spyre or Nico and family are going to know the actual details. Nico has said the nil isn’t close to what’s been reported either. So either he’s trying to prevent lockerroom issues related to money or he actually isn’t getting that much. I would guess a little of both. Contracts can’t be incentivized based on play or on field performance but it likely can be off marketing numbers which are going to be more effective if a player is performing well. If I had to guess there are likely top end figures that aren’t achievable until he starts and performs well. Just a guess though. All of this is going to be conjecture.
 
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The op built his case upon hearsay and assumed facts that haven't been introduced as evidence. Both would be considered inadmissible in court and his post should be thrown out as baseless. ⚖️
 
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NetworkVol said:
Ha! I would call me out too for this. Long time lurker, promise. I've been thru the ups and downs, grumors, kiffen sorority posts, all of it. Both of my parents graduated from UT. Mom is from Straw Plains and Dad is from Lebanon. I'm all Vol brother.
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Sigh. StrawBERRY Plains.

Why y'all gotta be so lazy? 😁

FTR, I lived in Kimberlin Heights for 6 years, right across the river, and still have family there. My BIL uses the same stupid shorthand for, you know, StrawBERRY Plains. 🥲
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope. Show me PROOF not media speculation. Show me the contract. The terms. The guarantees and the incentives.

It is very likely that NO ONE outside of the truly interested parties have seen that. So to just thrown unconfirmed things out there... or to use them as a basis for an argument just doesn't work.
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This.

There was a number thrown out that was never confirmed. We don't have any idea what the terms were. Does it state he gets xxx for being the starter, for instance? Is part of it a reward for completed passes? Is the amount even correct? Etc.

Honestly, we have a big game this week.

Why. In the ****. Is this even a topic? SMH
 
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TAF said:
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Thanks for signin' up 5 days ago, Bobby...
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Was it ever confirmed that the "motorcycle incident" was just a cover story, and that instead the Assistant Coach whose wife he was porking (pun intended!) just beat the **** out of him?

I don't think it was...but if the latter is true, the Assistant got his money's worth, that's for sure. :cool:

And good on him if he did!
 
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volmandu said:
Another way to look at it:

TN Athletics Department revenue was around 140 million in 2020. Most of it comes from Football. We won 3 games. That is 40 million per win.

See, no one takes number out of perspective when its the institutions but when its the athletes than it is an issue.
It is 500K per completion but what about hours spent in gym ? S&C schedule, meeting rooms, giving best years of your college life to a program ? Now you can say, well rest of the 84 players are doing it too: It is demand and supply.
Hypothetically lets say I am a programmer that makes $100K. Google CEO made $125 million before being promoted to CEO.. we both were programmers then why the discrepency? The high demand of presumed skill.

The money we are paying Nico is a bet on his skill. The skill that we are hoping will bring us back to CFP and more. More people on stands, more ticket sales, higher revenue share. If all that happens, $8 million is not a bad deal. Again, it is a bet on skill so no guarantees (like any other profession).
Hope that makes sense.
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Dude....UT is paying ZERO for Nico, other than the schollie, and as toothless as the NCAA is these days, would be on probation if we did.

Whatever amount Nico is getting, and $8M is firmly in rumor territory, it comes from outside parties and costs UT ZERO.

Thank you for your time.
 
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I have not read through the whole thread but if it is him and if 8 is a real number. I would say there are some hurdles like if you make all SEC you'll get this or if you lead league in passing or if you lead team to SECC this will kick in more from this sponsor etc...
. We will never know but you could sit down and say wow if he makes all these markers, that would bring him around 8 million for his college career and at the same time state, well its highly unlikely all those things ever happen but it makes for a good story, especially if you leave the incentive markers out. Lets run with it. Also I would think it would be in Nico's favor to not confirm or deny. It gets his name out there which in itself will be worth a lot down the road if he can marry the name with on field success. To be continued.🥳
 
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BanditVol said:
Was it ever confirmed that the "motorcycle incident" was just a cover story, and that instead the Assistant Coach whose wife he was porking (pun intended!) just beat the **** out of him?

I don't think it was...but if the latter is true, the Assistant got his money's worth, that's for sure. :cool:

And good on him if he did!
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It's just the way they grow them in Arkansas...ask Hunter, too...

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sjt18 said:
Well, no. You just shouldn't base a whole argument with broad implications on media reports that were never confirmed by anyone who actually knows what is in the agreement.

Yeah. I am "trying to argue" against that kind of thing. It doesn't help anything and fuels false arguments that could have some impact.... at least on fans if not recruits and players.

This isn't a "new" thing for me. When this board was talking about that "news", I said the same thing. It is a private agreement and neither side has made the terms public. Maybe it is $8 million flat with no required deliverables... but I doubt it.
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I never meant it to be an argument? I've said several times that I'm for Joe playing. And, based on that kind of money (if it's accurate reporting), I'm very excited for the future.
 
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BanditVol said:
Sigh. StrawBERRY Plains.

Why y'all gotta be so lazy? 😁

FTR, I lived in Kimberlin Heights for 6 years, right across the river, and still have family there. My BIL uses the same stupid shorthand for, you know, StrawBERRY Plains. 🥲
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😂🤣 I'll inform all my relatives at the next reunion that BanditVol says they are saying their hometown incorrectly.
 
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NetworkVol said:
I never meant it to be an argument? I've said several times that I'm for Joe playing. And, based on that kind of money (if it's accurate reporting), I'm very excited for the future.
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All I'm saying is that you shouldn't have used those numbers to break down Nico's per completion cost. That seems to be critical either of him not playing or else for UT's NIL paying him a big NIL.
 
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sjt18 said:
Well, no. You just shouldn't base a whole argument with broad implications on media reports that were never confirmed by anyone who actually knows what is in the agreement.

Yeah. I am "trying to argue" against that kind of thing. It doesn't help anything and fuels false arguments that could have some impact.... at least on fans if not recruits and players.

This isn't a "new" thing for me. When this board was talking about that "news", I said the same thing. It is a private agreement and neither side has made the terms public. Maybe it is $8 million flat with no required deliverables... but I doubt it.
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Wouldn't it be better for recruits to see that we (companies willing to do NIL deals for Vol players) will pay big numbers for talent?
 
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sjt18 said:
All I'm saying is that you shouldn't have used those numbers to break down Nico's per completion cost. That seems to be critical either of him not playing or else for UT's NIL paying him a big NIL.
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I literally put a note in the OP saying I wasn't for or against either of them playing. I'm with Coach H.
 
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BanditVol said:
This.

There was a number thrown out that was never confirmed. We don't have any idea what the terms were. Does it state he gets xxx for being the starter, for instance? Is part of it a reward for completed passes? Is the amount even correct? Etc.

Honestly, we have a big game this week.

Why. In the ****. Is this even a topic? SMH
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I think some of that might violate the "pay for play" rules.

I'm not in that business but if I were I think I would want to construct contracts that incorporated the demand for a player's NIL. A starter is obviously going to be in a lot more demand than a guy considered a bust. Others have suggested that the NIL groups assume all of the risks and simply sign for the player's NIL rights. To me, that would be too risky. For instance, Nwaneri could sign an NIL deal with a Mizzou supporting group and then sign with someone else. The group would still own his NIL but it would defeat the booster supported NIL idea.

Once this matures, you might see NIL groups that are for profit and do no care where a kid plays. Very similar to professional athlete managers.
 
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NetworkVol said:
Wouldn't it be better for recruits to see that we (companies willing to do NIL deals for Vol players) will pay big numbers for talent?
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One way I'm thinking it could do harm is if a big NIL is paid to a 5* that busts and a 3* starts but doesn't get paid. There could be issues in the locker room.
 
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sjt18 said:
One way I'm thinking it could do harm is if a big NIL is paid to a 5* that busts and a 3* starts but doesn't get paid. There could be issues in the locker room.
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From what I've read, the NIL money goes up based on good play. For example, after the South Carolina game, Milton got another deal that upped his NIL rating. I would hope that the 3* that shows out could also start getting in the mix...especially with the transfer portal like it is. If they shine and can get NIL money at another school, we would need to at least match it or provide enough incentive to stay. Maybe not? I do get your point though.
 
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NetworkVol said:
From what I've read, the NIL money goes up based on good play. For example, after the South Carolina game, Milton got another deal that upped his NIL rating. I would hope that the 3* that shows out could also start getting in the mix...especially with the transfer portal like it is. If they shine and can get NIL money at another school, we would need to at least match it or provide enough incentive to stay. Maybe not? I do get your point though.
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I could be wrong but I thought they were watching pay for play, pay for starting, and pay for production pretty heavily. It is a shell game but my understanding is that they can pay more for the "value" of a player's NIL but not for throwing so many TDs or rushing for X yards.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think some of that might violate the "pay for play" rules.

I'm not in that business but if I were I think I would want to construct contracts that incorporated the demand for a player's NIL. A starter is obviously going to be in a lot more demand than a guy considered a bust. Others have suggested that the NIL groups assume all of the risks and simply sign for the player's NIL rights. To me, that would be too risky. For instance, Nwaneri could sign an NIL deal with a Mizzou supporting group and then sign with someone else. The group would still own his NIL but it would defeat the booster supported NIL idea.

Once this matures, you might see NIL groups that are for profit and do no care where a kid plays. Very similar to professional athlete managers.
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Well after I posted that, I read the article that is linked above, and apparently the contract is all about PR events and public appearances. Which, from what I understand, is allowed. My guess, and I freely admit its a WAG, is that the provider can stipulate the number of appearances and control the amount paid, and that the $8M is just the upper limit and likely an estimate. Just a WAG though but if I was paying for it that's how I would do it.
 
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BanditVol said:
Well after I posted that, I read the article that is linked above, and apparently the contract is all about PR events and public appearances. Which, from what I understand, is allowed. My guess, and I freely admit its a WAG, is that the provider can stipulate the number of appearances and control the amount paid, and that the $8M is just the upper limit and likely an estimate. Just a WAG though but if I was paying for it that's how I would do it.
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That's kind of my thinking. It seems that the NIL company wouldn't buy something for a premium then assume 100% of the risk that it isn't sellable.

My guess is there is a base amount and then a certain amount per appearance.
 
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