Nico Fever, Fulmer Too?

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Ritzwatch said:
So Fulmer’s wins in the 90’s were against mediocre coaches with less talented teams while Spurrier’s wins against those same teams and coaches made him “class of the field” - got it.

My own take has always been that I want my head coach to be the best evaluated of talent -for players and assistant coaches - as that coach can be, and then to be a motivator and culture-setter. Head coaches, like CEOs, don’t have as much opportunity to get down and dirty on the details as the position coaches do.

Spurrier’s success faded as well. As do they all if they don’t leave when they are on top. It is how it goes…
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No…Spurrier was the class of the field, by being the class of the field. He was dominant against everyone including CPF. His offense actually transformed the game, that shortly passed Phil by. Had it not been for Spurrier, Phil likely would have been the class of the field in the 90’s. And when Spurrier left, the trend continued. Don’t see the pattern? Phil was bested by better coaches, if he didn’t possess as good or better on-field talent. It also became apparent where the coaching talent was when certain individuals left.
 
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agent|orange said:
Lets be honest here. He was 2 years off a National Championship and was 17-7 in those 2 years where Tennessee should have been poised to take over the SEC.

2001 was a string of not-so-convincing wins where we simply out-talented the teams we were playing and we still lost to 8-4 Georgia that year as well as bombing out of a chance in the National Champ by losing by 11 to LSU. That team was possibly Fulmer's most talented with 3 1st Rounders. 1999,2000,2001 were years that made it clear that Fulmer was going to lose to better coaches (Richt, Saban, whoever was at Florida) and even struggle against peer-level guys.

Had Cutcliffe stayed, it would have been a different story. We had National Title level defenses but our offenses under Sanders were bad.
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Peyton was both Fulmer's greatest success and achilles heel. He kept trying to replicate Manning, who was a once in a generation type player.

Coach Matthews once told of how Fulmer passed over Michael Vick for to sign Joey Matthews as our QB after 1998.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
He was a great recruiter, an ok coach, and loved the University. A true VFL that should have been replaced as HC earlier than he was, and never allowed to be AD.

I respect him and thank him for his Championships and the run in the 90’s, but the cold light of hindsight proves he excelled against lesser competition, benefitted from a weaker SEC, and was reliant on great talent and a stellar supporting cast. When any of those variables changed, his record suffered. As the TV money started to pour in and the SEC coaching arms race heated up, the game moved beyond him.
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You described 99% of championship winning coaches lol
 
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perico said:
Peyton was both Fulmer's greatest success and achilles heel. He kept trying to replicate Manning, who was a once in a generation type player.

Coach Matthews once told of how Fulmer passed over Michael Vick for to sign Joey Matthews as our QB after 1998.
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Did not know that
 
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'Boro-vol said:
He was a great recruiter, an ok coach, and loved the University. A true VFL that should have been replaced as HC earlier than he was, and never allowed to be AD.

I respect him and thank him for his Championships and the run in the 90’s, but the cold light of hindsight proves he excelled against lesser competition, benefitted from a weaker SEC, and was reliant on great talent and a stellar supporting cast. When any of those variables changed, his record suffered. As the TV money started to pour in and the SEC coaching arms race heated up, the game moved beyond him.
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Kind of a silly take. I’m not the biggest fulmer fan after the AD debacle and years of hell, but to imply he wasn’t great fit a period of time is ridiculous. I’d argue it was harder to do then. He recruited great team after great team. Not by promising millions in NIL, but by offering playing time and loyalty to a university. The chance to truly be a part of something. Those days are lost. Any idiot can throw millions at a 17 year old and get them to sign on a dotted line.
 
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CINCYVOL said:
He was a great recruiter and a good coach. It’s what has transpired since his retirement that I have issue with. He certainly got all he could financially.
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He was given what his contracts called for which his contracts were signed off by UT administration. It's not that he got, it's what they gave him. Including a skybox.
 
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adam.vol said:
The best thing Fulmer ever did for TN was he replaced Johnny Majors’ offensive coordinator with Cutcliff. The worst thing he ever did was let Cutcliff get away.

Now you know all about TN’s rise and fall of Fulmer.
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Fulmer was the OC that Cut replaced. You might want to review Fulmer as OC.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
The game changed on him. It is hard for someone who has been very successful doing something to change what they are doing even as the world changes around them. I think Saban saw that he couldn’t adapt to the new NIL environment and was wise to get out while near the top. Fulmer held on a few seasons too long.
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I think Saban just didn't WANT to do it anymore, not that he couldn't. The day he resigned he still had the No. 1 roster in CFB according to the 247 team talent composite, the No. 2 incoming class and was a play away from making the national championship game again. This was 2.5 years into NIL. Fulmer couldn't or refused to adapt, Saban could, I just think coaching is more a young man's game than ever and he wasn't into that rat race anymore. To your point, no doubt NIL contributed to the intensity of the rat race, but he was doing the NIL era as good as anybody when he went out.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Woodsman was saying that Gaston Moore would takeover the starting job in a few weeks and now he’s in CYA mode bc everyone called him on it.
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Woodsman said, Gaston might sneak up on Nico and become QB1. Don't distort people's statements. As for being called out, you have no idea how I relish it. But you should, given our adventures in THAT other forum. And, uh, honesty really is the best policy. I back down when I understand loud and clear that I'm dead wrong about something. As for the Gas man, let's just say, I Sarah Silverman the issue once more, it could happen.

Now, the real issue here is the same as it is with Peyton-ian people. If one says anything less than PM being an infallible demi-god, son of Zeus and Queen Medb of Connacht, with genetic splicing from Lugh and Brigid, if you don't do that, you are evil incarnate. These people now pl;ace Nico in the same category, woe unto any who doesn't pay the same blind loyalty. They ought to know better than to assume they can cure my insane defiance of conformism.
 
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CINCYVOL said:
He was a great recruiter and a good coach. It’s what has transpired since his retirement that I have issue with. He certainly got all he could financially.
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So, wouldn't you, wouldn't most people. Tell me when you have turned down millions in contracts?
 
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