Nico on QB battle

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Milton is on a somewhat short leash and I’m sure he knows it. Think Nico plays the second half of the first non conference game and if he does well the noise will ratchet up on the first bad game or loss Milton has.

If Milton finishes the season as the starter I think it means we lost 2 games most and got atleast a NY6 bowl.
 
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NEO said:
Milton is on a somewhat short leash and I’m sure he knows it. Think Nico plays the second half of the first non conference game and if he does well the noise will ratchet up on the first bad game or loss Milton has.

If Milton finishes the season as the starter I think it means we lost 2 games most and got atleast a NY6 bowl.
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Respectfully disagree. Unless it’s an absolute cluster**** I think Nico’s play will be limited to the 2nd half of blowout victories. This is Joe’s third year in the program, and he’s showed a lot of class these past couple seasons after losing the starting job to Hendon in 2021. It would’ve been easy for him to transfer but he stuck it out and the year-over-year improvement was very evident last season. Throughout everything he’s had a smile on his face and been a team guy. You gotta assume the locker room and coaching staff is 100% behind a guy like that. He carries himself with maturity and grace and he’s probably the most physically gifted quarterback in school history with his size and arm strength. Should be a solid guy for Nico to learn from before he takes over next season. Nico is 18, Joe is 23, I think the coaching staff knows what they have in both guys and right now it seems like it’ll be Joe’s team. Only my opinion.
 
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Joe Milton will have a long leash, the only caveat being dumb fans who yell for the backup at the first sign of trouble. CJH is has more savvy than to cave into that tho.

We all hope/expect to see Orange Bowl Milton out there. If we do, consistently all year, we'll be similar to last year's team. Our major competitors, except SC (and yes they are a major competitor), all have new QBs, Joe having a good deal more exp.

There will be hiccups, but the staff will allow Joe to play through it and they will scheme to his strengths. Even if he struggles, it's not gonna make string bean Nico any more ready to come in immediately. That's why it's imperative we hit the portal for some kind of vet QB post-spring period.
Doesn't have to be a world beater, just a game manager type. Ideally Nico gets a RS, and I've gotten pushback on that here, but I just don't see the upside to burning one of his years while he's not the starter.
 
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NEO said:
Milton is on a somewhat short leash and I’m sure he knows it. Think Nico plays the second half of the first non conference game and if he does well the noise will ratchet up on the first bad game or loss Milton has.

If Milton finishes the season as the starter I think it means we lost 2 games most and got atleast a NY6 bowl.
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Dude you gotta use the blue font
 
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NEO said:
You think we lose the first two conference games he stays starter? I don’t. If you agree, that is a “somewhat” short leash.
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So every starter who plays crap and loses the opening 2 conf games is on a short lease then. What is your point?
 
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NEO said:
That he is a somewhat short leash.

Thought it was pretty clear.
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Then congrats. You made an amazing revelation that no one has noticed about a starting QB who sucks to start the season having a short lease. Who knew?
 
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Other_Guy said:
Then congrats. You made an amazing revelation that no one has noticed about a starting QB who sucks to start the season having a short lease. Who knew?
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No. Some guys can lose a lot more. JG was not on a short leash.
Many QBs lose more than two early and stsy the starter.
 
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My hope is that Vols fans noise doesn't affect CJH regarding Nico being in games. I prefer we avoid another mess similar to the Crompton, Coleman, Stephens trash bin clamoring.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
My hope is that Vols fans noise doesn't affect CJH regarding Nico being in games. I prefer we avoid another mess similar to the Crompton, Coleman, Stephens trash bin clamoring.
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You don’t have to worry about that CJH has complete command of his team and understands how to coach and handle QBs…
 
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I think some of this short leash / long leash talk is crazy.

Milton could lose 4 games and Nico could still be clueless in practice so why on earth would you put Nico in if he can’t run the offense or only knows part of the offense.

The truth is CJH will have a lot more info to process than us keyboard warriors ever will so for us to say it will be short or long Is just uneducated talk.

And for those who say CJH didn’t chose well the first year, he had been on the job 8 months with no game experience in CJH system for either QB.
 
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NEO said:
Milton is on a somewhat short leash and I’m sure he knows it. Think Nico plays the second half of the first non conference game and if he does well the noise will ratchet up on the first bad game or loss Milton has.

If Milton finishes the season as the starter I think it means we lost 2 games most and got atleast a NY6 bowl.
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LOL what? What on earth makes you think Milton is on a short leash? It is FAR more likely the coaches are holding their breath hoping that he stays healthy and can start the whole year.

There are a few, very few, programs that are so talented on O that they can plug a Fr QB in and get good results. For the rest, you don't want to have to game plan around what your QB cannot do... regardless of how talented they are or how hard they've worked to prepare.

I know a lot of people are in love with the New Kid in Town. That's how things usually are. But this is Joe's team.
 
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NEO said:
You think we lose the first two conference games he stays starter? I don’t. If you agree, that is a “somewhat” short leash.
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Well, that would completely depend on why they lost, right? If he's under 50% completions and sharing the ball with the other team too much then it might become a consideration. Heupel doesn't seem to be a coach who is prone to jump out of the pan and into the fire. It would take a lot to move him from a guy he knows and trusts and has developed for a couple of years to a guy who still doesn't know what's going on.

That would also be one of the worst scenarios for Nico. You don't want him taking unnecessary physical abuse. You don't want him making a bunch of mistakes that can destroy his confidence before he even gets started.
 
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If Joe plays consistently bad and is costing us games then Nico will get his shot. That's the same for any team. Joe has had one good game since he has been here and that was the Orange bowl. I hope he consistently plays at a high level but I can't say I'm confident that he will based on one game. I think we'll know by the Florida game if he has turned the corner
 
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Bloodrunsorange27 said:
If Joe plays consistently bad and is costing us games then Nico will get his shot. That's the same for any team. Joe has had one good game since he has been here and that was the Orange bowl. I hope he consistently plays at a high level but I can't say I'm confident that he will based on one game. I think we'll know by the Florida game if he has turned the corner
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You're almost certain to be disappointed unless Milton plays downright awful. I know you and others are anxious to see Nico but Milton has earned trust, knows the system, and will get Heupel's support. Those predicting or hoping for a quick hook are just setting themselves up to be mad at Heupel.

PS- He's only had one good game? He was good and maybe even great in every game he played in last fall. If the time comes and Heupel replaces him then I have no personal ties that would make me anything less than supportive of the decision. But you guys are borderline pulling against him.
 
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NEO said:
You think we lose the first two conference games he stays starter? I don’t. If you agree, that is a “somewhat” short leash.
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Depends how we lose it. If we lose due to QB play, yes but if we lose due to others (defense, OLine issues etc) then no. It will likely have to be very very bad games too, not average type for him to lose it.
 
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