Nico's QBR Lowest in SEC?

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Tenacjim said:
www.espn.com

How is Total QBR calculated? We explain our quarterback rating

Although not perfect, the metric incorporates all of a quarterback's contributions. Check out what goes into the computations.
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Fair, but that article is opaque. There's no actual formulae contained in that story. No one could take that article and calculate someone's QBR. QBR is still an ESPN-created metric with that cannot be recreated. We still don't really know how it works.
 
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Voltopia said:
Fair, but that article is opaque. There's no actual formulae contained in that story. No one could take that article and calculate someone's QBR. QBR is still an ESPN-created metric with that cannot be recreated. We still don't really know how it works.
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Yeah, they’re not going to share that so they are the only one’s able to produce it. The article does go into more “situational value” like devaluing “garbage time”. Which makes sense but you don’t know how or how much.

Like it or loathe it, it does seem to be more informative of total QB value than “passer rating” based on the explanations in the article.
 
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It is relevant because of the offense UT runs and the fact that the two competing QB’s are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Whether you like the rating system or not, it matches what we have seen the first half of the season. He’s at the bottom.
 
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Validity of the metric isn’t what matters.

What matters is whether or not the performance of someone that has been on campus for 2 years and is (allegedly) being paid millions is reflective of expected performance?

There is now a “talent tax” being added to ticket costs starting next year. We, the fans, pay that tax. I don’t care how long any of these players have been on campus or how old they are relative to the competition. They are being compensated for their talents and the expected product provided by those talents.

The product can and, I believe, will get better. But it doesn’t meet the expectation right now. I’m hoping that tomorrow is the turning point for the passing game, but Nico especially. Right, wrong, or indifferent he’s the captain of the ship on the field and it’s his job to keep it from sinking.
 
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orangemadam said:
regardless of whether you like this stat, it is a matter of concern.

Hopefully, Nico will perform much better than in other previous SEC games.

You must admit, regardless of who is at fault, he has not performed well thus far in SEC play.
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It is hard enough to perform well as a QB in the SEC, especially when you’re running for your life. The O-line needs to step up its play. If that happens, I think Nico’s play will improve as well.
 
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Rushin Orange Collusion said:
It is hard enough to perform well as a QB in the SEC, especially when you’re running for your life. The O-line needs to step up its play. If that happens, I think Nico’s play will improve as well.
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People forget that Nico looked great passing in the first few games. Yes, those teams were bad but Nico was accurate on deep balls when he felt secure in the pocket and had time to make the play.
 
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volmanNC said:
It's hard to see the receivers when you are on your back looking straight up at the sky....
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Stop acting like Nico is getting thumped every play. He isn’t. Yes the OL is playing bad but he is indecisive and makes bad reads. His numbers should be a lot better than they are. Much of that is on him.
 
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Voltopia said:
I didn't blame everyone but him. I said QBR doesn't take the context of a team's offensive possessions into account - or at least, I don't think it does. I cited examples of things that I imagine are not calculated as part of their formula. Admittedly, speculative, but I don't think they do "context." I suppose I could be wrong, but I don't believe I am. And to my knowledge, ESPN has never released the calculations used to create their QBR rating, so we'll never know for certain. Regardless, nowhere in my statement did I say Nico was faultless or playing great at the position.

But going back to the original point, I don't think Nico's "QBR rating" should worry the original poster one bit.
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QBR does a pretty good job of identifying what QB's are playing well and which ones are not on annual basis. For example, Hendon Hooker was #2 in QBR out of 130 or so D1 quarterbacks in 2022. While it might not tell 100% of the story (what stat does?), it is a strong, strong indicator of the quality of QB play a team is getting.
 
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LittleVol said:
Agreed .

If I were to put it in percentages.

1) Playcalliing 60%
2) Nico 25%
3 Oline 13%
4) various (injuries/penalties etc) 2%
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I believe our play calling is less of an issue that most make it to be - it’s more about execution IMO. Hopefully we execute at a very high level against Bama today. In 2022 Bama had a DE that was touted as the best player in the country - he never laid a hand on Hooker that’s to Darnell Wright. We need that level of play from all our OL today.
 
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Sarms58 said:
I believe our play calling is less of an issue that most make it to be - it’s more about execution IMO. Hopefully we execute at a very high level against Bama today. In 2022 Bama had a DE that was touted as the best player in the country - he never laid a hand on Hooker that’s to Darnell Wright. We need that level of play from all our OL today.
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I think you are right. The majority of fans don't understand x's and o's well enough to credibly critique play calling. Most of the time a "bad play" does not equal a "bad play CALL", a bad play is a play that wasn't executed well or the efforts of another team disrupting the play.
 
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Sarms58 said:
I believe our play calling is less of an issue that most make it to be - it’s more about execution IMO. Hopefully we execute at a very high level against Bama today. In 2022 Bama had a DE that was touted as the best player in the country - he never laid a hand on Hooker that’s to Darnell Wright. We need that level of play from all our OL today.
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exactly. Just not executing in the passing game and Heupel keeps implying that its the whole offense. All 11.

Had they executed the plays called versus Arkansas, we win by 2 TDs.

Had they executed the plays called versus Florida we win the game going away and no OT.

Its QB, its OL, its WRs and its TEs / RBs in pass protection. Running game is the only thing that has been working thanks to Sampson having splash plays from time to time. Its not just QB getting low ratings, its the OL also getting low ratings. Heard had 38 in last game. Not going to win many games playing this poorly.

Offensive Grades (minimum 14 plays — 20% of offensive plays)​

RB Dylan Sampson — 78.7 (52 plays)

C Cooper Mays — 75.8 (72 plays)

WR Squirrel White — 74.2 (33 plays)

TE Ethan Davis — 64.5 (14 plays)

WR Chris Brazzell — 64.1 (58 plays)

RB DeSean Bishop — 63.3 (20 plays)

TE Holde Staes — 56.0 (27 plays)

RT John Campbell Jr — 55.6 (62 plays)

QB Nico Iamaleava — 55.1 (72 plays)

LG Andrej Karic — 54.8 (72 plays)

TE Miles Kitselman — 54.6 (45 plays)

RG Javontez Spraggins — 51.4 (62 plays)

WR Bru McCoy — 51.3 (57 plays)

WR Chas Nimrod — 48.6 (31 plays)

LT Lance Heard — 38.3 (72 plays)

The offensive grades were just as bad as Tennessee’s offense looked in this one. That was particularly the case for the offensive line. Besides Cooper Mays, the Vols’ offensive line grades were truly horrible in this one. As bad as Lance Heard and Javontez Spraggins graded out, they actually turned in solid pass block grades and horrible run block grades.

No surprise to see Dylan Sampson earn the highest grade. He’s the best player on Tennessee’s offense and he turned in another good performance. A second straight good pass block grade for Sampson too.

Lastly, let’s look at some snap counts. Dont’e Thornton played just four snaps and Mike Matthews just missed the cut playing 13 plays. The tight end snap breakdown is also interesting with Miles Kitselman leading the way by a long shot followed by Holden Staes and then Ethan Davis.
 
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SCRocket said:
He’ll be fine. He’s so young. Bumps along the way are just a part of it. Having said that, our o-line hasn’t helped him.
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the current formula, which DC's copy when it seems successful, is similar to a base 3-3-5. In short they are attempting to confuse Nico and what they are showing in lining up isn't on film. Bama will likely resort to some gimmicks also. Nico is just a freshman in his 8th game but I'm certain that he'll adjust to these unorthodox sets. Bear in mind, that these gimmicks are also confusing our OLine.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
I’ll tell you which rating doesn’t lie. The good ol the test. Nico hasn’t passed that one yet. I’ll agree the Oline takes some blame. But if you enjoy watching film as I do I suggest you go back and watch. Or watch a breakdown. Nico has missed and faltered plenty on his own. Reads, open receivers, staring down receivers, fumbles, interceptions, you name it. I’m not screaming get him out of here, but it’s also time some of you stop blaming everyone but him.
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Yep. Running out of bounds on the last play against arky. Missed 2 wide open touchdowns against Florida. Indecisive and holding the ball way too long. You don’t need any type of qbr stat to see he’s been playing terrible. Even with sketchy O-line play he’s had plenty of opportunities to deliver but just looks lost at times.
 
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Nico has been as bad a qb as we've had at UT in decades. He makes Milton look like a hall of famer. Maybe he'll get better. We can hope.
 
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Feels JG all over again. Many fans blaming other positions (OL and WR) or the coaches, but can't never lay blame where it's obvious.

JG was in his 4th year and some still refused to say he was playing bad.


I hope he gets it together today.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I think you are right. The majority of fans don't understand x's and o's well enough to credibly critique play calling. Most of the time a "bad play" does not equal a "bad play CALL", a bad play is a play that wasn't executed well or the efforts of another team disrupting the play.
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Yep. To most of these couch coaches, a play that doesn't work = bad play call
 
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vols 30 said:
Feels JG all over again. Many fans blaming other positions (OL and WR) or the coaches, but can't never lay blame where it's obvious.

JG was in his 4th year and some still refused to say he was playing bad.


I hope he gets it together today.
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G2 was definitely in his head alot. I wondered how he'd look under Heup.
 
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