Nike and the Berry boys

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#26
And I agree with Op that the berry Bros will be amazing. They could have both been top 100 recruits had they played the recruiting game. But they didn't need to. They knew they'd have a spot wherever they wanted to play so why bring on a bunch of unnecessary attention and hype. They played it perfect. These kids are both world class talents with little pressure coming in
 
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After 7 hard years on this board I have learned that predicting the future of any prospect is futile. Some kids have great potential but once they step foot on campus, they need growth, maturity, practice, determination, work ethic, game comprehension, instinct, attitude, coachability, and raw talent. That is before even discussing things such as injuries or depth. Some people really are good at talent evaluation but that evaluation seems to go out the window once a kid steps into a D1 football program.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
To a degree yes, but Jac never ran faster than a 4.9 and was more of a 5.0 kid in high school. The hope was he could bulk up and move inside, but I knew the linebacker talk was always crazy. He had an average shuttle time in high school and struggled in space. I was ridiculed severely upon his signing when I posted things I knew.
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He was missing elite speed.
But coaching and player placement can help some issue we had over the past several years,,,,,,,, BUT. You can't teach speed.
 
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Mallicoat said:
He was missing elite speed.
But coaching and player placement can help some issue we had over the past several years,,,,,,,, BUT. You can't teach speed.
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Well, yeah you can. Increasing burst and jump can take a couple of tenths or so off your 40. And coaching the proper angles, etc. can make you look faster. The problem is some kids, even with the work and the coaching, just aren't gifted with the physical ability to play at this level. It's not their fault or the coaches fault. What was projected as a 4* against high school competition is really a 2* in college, and can't be coached up. The proverbial bust.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Well, yeah you can. Increasing burst and jump can take a couple of tenths or so off your 40. And coaching the proper angles, etc. can make you look faster. The problem is some kids, even with the work and the coaching, just aren't gifted with the physical ability to play at this level. It's not their fault or the coaches fault. What was projected as a 4* against high school competition is really a 2* in college, and can't be coached up. The proverbial bust.
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Two tenths off of a forty time is significant. You might can make a 5.8 lineman into a 5.6 but no easy ukulele can make a 4.6 into a 4.4.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Two tenths off of a forty time is significant. You might can make a 5.8 lineman into a 5.6 but no easy ukulele can make a 4.6 into a 4.4.
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Have you run those numbers by any prominent Hawaiians yet?

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The thing about Jack was that he didn't have the speed to make up for bad mistake and habits that's the difference if you jump inside as a d-end but have the speed to recover and only give up lik a 4 or 5 yard play.he never had that kind of speed to do so that is what has really been missing here d-end that can actually keep contain and make guys go laterally instead of getting the corner and going north to south
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Two tenths off of a forty time is significant. You might can make a 5.8 lineman into a 5.6 but no easy ukulele can make a 4.6 into a 4.4.
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But a good speed coach can. " ... 66 of 88 on a D1 program using Coach Campbell's training program saw 1.5 to 2.5 sec cut off their 40 times ... "

Campbell obviously plays Orange Blossom Special on a ukelele ... duh! Since he can do that consistently for D1 players, NFL combine participants, baseball, soccer, etc.; and make a living doing it, I do believe you can coach speed, all whilst playin' Somewhere Over the Rainbow on his 'uke.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
But a good speed coach can. " ... 66 of 88 on a D1 program using Coach Campbell's training program saw 1.5 to 2.5 sec cut off their 40 times ... "

Campbell obviously plays Orange Blossom Special on a ukelele ... duh! Since he can do that consistently for D1 players, NFL combine participants, baseball, soccer, etc.; and make a living doing it, I do believe you can coach speed, all whilst playin' Somewhere Over the Rainbow on his 'uke.[/

So players went from a 6.4 to a 3.9 sec 40? Damn I need to get that workout plan. Butch would be recruiting all of Volnation then. All of our dreams would come true. :rock:
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I, and probably Willie Gault and a few other players who also ran track, would say that speed can indeed be taught to a degree....i.e. how to run fast. Or faster.

BTW, what other players also ran track back in the days of Wide Receiver U? My mind is drawing a blank...


Orangedogsrule said:
Well, yeah you can. Increasing burst and jump can take a couple of tenths or so off your 40. And coaching the proper angles, etc. can make you look faster. The problem is some kids, even with the work and the coaching, just aren't gifted with the physical ability to play at this level. It's not their fault or the coaches fault. What was projected as a 4* against high school competition is really a 2* in college, and can't be coached up. The proverbial bust.
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I thought it was because he whipped yer boy on the playground and took his lunch money is why you don't like Jac???

BeattieFeathers said:
To a degree yes, but Jac never ran faster than a 4.9 and was more of a 5.0 kid in high school. The hope was he could bulk up and move inside, but I knew the linebacker talk was always crazy. He had an average shuttle time in high school and struggled in space. I was ridiculed severely upon his signing when I posted things I knew.
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orange parmejohn said:
After 7 hard years on this board I have learned that predicting the future of any prospect is futile. Some kids have great potential but once they step foot on campus, they need growth, maturity, practice, determination, work ethic, game comprehension, instinct, attitude, coachability, and raw talent. That is before even discussing things such as injuries or depth. Some people really are good at talent evaluation but that evaluation seems to go out the window once a kid steps into a D1 football program.
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so very true,you can't put a whole lot of stock in freshmen,maybe a couple will shine in there first year,but probably not
 
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crusse10 said:
this is a very odd combination of topics
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Yeah with this dudes history of threads i really expected a conspiracy theory where we switched to nike to ensure that we landed the berry twins. im a little dissapointed honestly
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
But a good speed coach can. " ... 66 of 88 on a D1 program using Coach Campbell's training program saw 1.5 to 2.5 sec cut off their 40 times ... "

Campbell obviously plays Orange Blossom Special on a ukelele ... duh! Since he can do that consistently for D1 players, NFL combine participants, baseball, soccer, etc.; and make a living doing it, I do believe you can coach speed, all whilst playin' Somewhere Over the Rainbow on his 'uke.
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DO NOT BELIEVE......,you can make a fast man faster but you cannot make a slow man fast. That's a bunch of hooey. You know this...
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
What would folks do without the grammar police patrolling the message boards?
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You missed his point. He's not talking about grammar. Eric is not one of the twins ����. Try to keep up ����
 
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CountVolcula said:
If Jacques would have went to Alabama, he would a been a beast

He suffered from bad coaching and continued change of coaching philosophy on the defensive side of the ball
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He never would have seen the field at Alabama.
 
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