NIL costing us recruits of late.

[WillisWG]

When does this take effect? Or has it? I have heard otherwise but am no expert on the subject. My sons football days in HS & College ended prior to all of this

It was effective in December. This is where we have the advantage over Missouri. Missouri's law is more or less limited to HS SR, we're not restricted so it is open to all grades.

 

[JRich]

Dumb take.

There are multiple factors in an athlete's recruitment and commitment. Can't say UT is missing on recruits because of NIL money.

 

[VolDaddy61]

It is obvious some of the recruits we have been in on took the NIL route at the end and committed elsewhere. Hate losing some of these end rushers we could use due to their attraction to the money over the better place to go to play

That's what Employees do, make business decisions.

 

[CPA]

Jayson Swain talked about this on the Swain event this morning. Missouri law now gives incentive for Missouri recrunits to stay instate and benefit from NIL now. He said it will be interesting to see how other SEC schools to respond with proposes legislation for their states. At this time I'll just just trust Boyd, Plowman and White to work out what is best for UT.

 

[swampfoxfan]

The biggest issue with the most recent recruit is that Missouri State law allows the player to begin getting paid while still in High School. Tennessee does not. That will make a difference with a few, but you’re also likely to see some of those end up as transfers once they get to college

Have to disagree. If you sign an NIL deal for 200,000/year it's pretty dang easy to get a "payday" loan . So a hs kid can borrow 100,000 , help mom and dad, get a car and live life big.

 

[KingVFL]

It is obvious some of the recruits we have been in on took the NIL route at the end and committed elsewhere. Hate losing some of these end rushers we could use due to their attraction to the money over the better place to go to play

I believe it was @KingNico that said (paraphrasing), that we don't lose recruits because of lack of NIL money. We just choose what amount is too much to pay for any one given recruit. Have to trust Heupel and company's judgement.

We are very disciplined about what we're willing to pay. That doesn't mean we're cheap, because we're definitely not and we pick spots to be very aggressive but we don't suddenly get in heat and keep raising the bids down the stretch. You also need to think through what happens when that kid gets on campus.. how badly do we need the position? Will the person be making more than someone their sitting behind? Is that going to be a problem? What about if the kid gets money.. will he slack off or keep working? A bunch of important inputs that aren't as simple as just winning the Fong bomb. We definitely beat some teams at a discount and sometimes need to pay a premium to win vs. others, but we're always financially disciplined about it.

Nwaneri we really wanted and would've stretched but he wanted money now.

Cai Bates we could've had in my humble opinion if we upped our offer.

Last year we could've had Francis Mauigoa had we been willing to match Miami. I'm sure I'm forgetting more, but we have a plan and we stick to it. The plan is beyond any individual recruit or even signing class and that's a very good thing.

 

[livefaith]

Can't expect these guys to choose a destination any differently than the way we choose where we work. It's just how it is. Sometimes, somebody is willing to pay more.

Pretty good life lesson. Might as well learn it in High $chool

 

[Shades]

We are very disciplined about what we're willing to pay. That doesn't mean we're cheap, because we're definitely not and we pick spots to be very aggressive but we don't suddenly get in heat and keep raising the bids down the stretch. You also need to think through what happens when that kid gets on campus.. how badly do we need the position? Will the person be making more than someone their sitting behind? Is that going to be a problem? What about if the kid gets money.. will he slack off or keep working? A bunch of important inputs that aren't as simple as just winning the Fong bomb. We definitely beat some teams at a discount and sometimes need to pay a premium to win vs. others, but we're always financially disciplined about it.

Nwaneri we really wanted and would've stretched but he wanted money now.

Cai Bates we could've had in my humble opinion if we upped our offer.

Last year we could've had Francis Mauigoa had we been willing to match Miami. I'm sure I'm forgetting more, but we have a plan and we stick to it. The plan is beyond any individual recruit or even signing class and that's a very good thing.

So glad to hear that thought and reason are being exercised in this process rather than a badly planned, financially loose, shotgun approach. It sounds like the program is being built on solid principles and a firm foundation for success now and well into the future.

 

[LadyVolette]

I believe it was @KingNico that said (paraphrasing), that we don't lose recruits because of lack of NIL money. We just choose what amount is too much to pay for any one given recruit. Have to trust Heupel and company's judgement.[/QUOTE

makes sense to me.. folks might be overpaying.. we have to trust the coaching staff to make these judgements.. they probably, nay they do, see stuff we are not privy to

 

[supersmo18]

Don't complain. Donate. Don't give til it hurts. Give til it feels good.

Good grief man, change your avatar lol

 

[TheVolsFrog]

Jayson Swain talked about this on the Swain event this morning. Missouri law now gives incentive for Missouri recrunits to stay instate and benefit from NIL now. He said it will be interesting to see how other SEC schools to respond with proposes legislation for their states. At this time I'll just just trust Boyd, Plowman and White to work out what is best for UT.

Someone is going to challenge that MO law it's basically saying come work for us otherwise you can't get paid now

 

[90 Vol]

If they choose some crap school where they won't get developed or are rarely seen it could cost them a lot more in the long run. Sometimes the quick buck isn't the long-term best route.

I agree. However, it can be quite a challenge to get an 18yo to see this concept.

 

[Volfan1000]

Heupel is building a team, locker room winning culture. If you overpay for a freshman (besides QB) like Nwaneri, the rest of the position group already on the team goes "Where's my pay raise" and leads to toxicity among the players like we had before South Carolina that cost us the game. Building this thing steady to stay in the upper echelon of CFB again and compete for championships.

This NIL thing will cause locker room dissensions and apathy among teammates in the long run.

 

[KnoxCentral92]

I believe it was @KingNico that said (paraphrasing), that we don't lose recruits because of lack of NIL money. We just choose what amount is too much to pay for any one given recruit. Have to trust Heupel and company's judgement.

If any of that is true I disagree. You gotta have a team fund. Every scholarship player gets a min,it's a must so they know they are getting something. Amount unknown.Those that can make money or more money..Then it's unlimited..Cost of scholarship money combined with a min Nil ,along with Pel Grants..that's Dr salary for playing a game we all love

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

I wonder if in this new Transfer Portal era if a lot of guys that took the highest NIL deal they could get don't start to second guess if they land in a program that has some turmoil (see Texas A & M last year). It will be interesting to see if any of the biggest "gets" that have elite NIL deals transfer around after they work though a season or two on a team that isn't a contender.

Make some money to take care of the folks. Then transfer and prepare for the real money in the NFL.

 

[bigorangepoppa]

The biggest issue with the most recent recruit is that Missouri State law allows the player to begin getting paid while still in High School. Tennessee does not. That will make a difference with a few, but you’re also likely to see some of those end up as transfers once they get to college

And based on what I read in a post yesterday, There is a stipulation that the recruit has to sign with a Missouri university to get the paycheck while in high school. I can't see how that would not be illegal.

 

[LadyVolette]

Good grief man, change your avatar lol

Lol is it the Silence of the Lambs guy?

 

[BigALWiLson]

It is obvious some of the recruits we have been in on took the NIL route at the end and committed elsewhere. Hate losing some of these end rushers we could use due to their attraction to the money over the better place to go to play

Donate.... if you do not. And until more fans get on board and help the cause this will happen. However I am cool with not over spending.

 

[Pump Guy]

Every team has a pot of money, some of those pots are bigger than most and I would put Tennessee in that category. I would venture to say that Missouri's pot is smaller than most in the SEC. So Missouri empties their pot on a kid who can not play until next year, at a position that will not win you games as an individual.

Every year, some individual will add to the pot, or bring out their own like the LifeWallet guy at Miami (Tracking LifeWallet's Mission to Sign $10 Million in NIL Deals (businessofcollegesports.com) who is now close to bankruptcy) or at Texas A&M, but it is not sustainable.

The market will level this stuff out to where the "haves" will take the best recruits and the best transfers from the "nots", but the "haves" will not be one or two teams (ie Alabama and Georgia), it will be most of the SEC and a chunk of the Big 10.

NIL will save college football from a team like Alabama dominating for extended periods of time. The under the table payment system that Alabama had is now out in the open and everyone can participate.

 

[loosecannon]

When does this take effect? Or has it? I have heard otherwise but am no expert on the subject. My sons football days in HS & College ended prior to all of this

It took effect immediately. I have athletes getting minor NIL deals.

 

[LAVol1]

The problem is that some schools can go "all in" on multiple players every year. .

And how is that working out so far for TA&M?

 

[woodpusher]

In December 2022, the TSSAA Legislative Council unanimously approved changes to the Amateur Rule of the TSSAA Bylaws after extensive discussion with the membership at the TSSAA Administrators Meetings in September and Regional Meetings in November.

The change establishes that students are allowed to receive payment for instructional services and other activities not related to performance provided that they are carried out in a manner that does not suggest or reasonably suggest the endorsement or sponsorship of the TSSAA school. The student’s activities for which they are compensated may not include an image or likeness of the student in a uniform, or other clothing or gear depicting the name or logo of the TSSAA member school the student is attending or has attended. No reference to TSSAA accolades or championships may be used in the student’s activities for which they are compensated.

Name, Image and Likeness and the TSSAA Amateur Rule | TSSAA

Do schools actually get rich over sports? I can see private schools getting rich (if you enroll here, you'll hit the big time) but public schools?
I've said on prior posts that my school district (Pennsylvania, 70's-80's) lost money on every sport, even football.

 

[WillisWG]

Do schools actually get rich over sports? I can see private schools getting rich (if you enroll here, you'll hit the big time) but public schools?
I've said on prior posts that my school district (Pennsylvania, 70's-80's) lost money on every sport, even football.

They're are some HS programs that make money but most are lucky to break even. If it was not for Booster Clubs most programs would likely be underfunded.

One of the luckier groups.... How High School Sports Have Turned Into Big Business

 

[ReelfootVol]

As I use to tell my drug and alcohol classes, we have to live with our mistakes. At a very young age we do not always think things out like we should. Same with an athlete in college................money isn't always the answer to your situation. You must consider other things.... does you choice of school have lots of exposure with a large attendance of local supporters ? Is your choice of school recognized with all the latest updated facilities and financially sound to compete with the top schools in the nation ? ..... What about lots of tv exposure ? How many former players have gone to pro football and made a total success ? In other words our decisions we make at a very early age can make or break a player. Money is only one small aspect of life to a 18 or 19 year old student. Many Other Factors Need to be Considered other that how much money you will make.

 

[VolBallGuy]

Welcome to Tier 2 professional football.