No Bump, BTW

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#3
this should be a nice place for all those who crucified CBP over the post admission alleged "bump" to say they are sorry.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
The bump was nothing more than Cheek and the UT Admin having more ammunition to fire Pearl and his assts. They knew they could save themselves some money by using that to their advantage. In the end, it's always about money.
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That or they decided it was best to cut ties with a known liar, cheat and snake. And don't discount the fact that the 'AA took the action of terminating him into consideration come judgment time.
 
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NYYVol said:
That or they decided it was best to cut ties with a known liar, cheat and snake. And don't discount the fact that the 'AA took the action of terminating him into consideration come judgment time.
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I'd say it was more about money in the end than anything.

If you believe the NCAA (and, of course, they're never wrong) they said Kiffin, Pearl and Hamilton not being at UT at this time had no basis on their ruling. Or did they just lie after giving a liar a show cause? Damn. That's some good stuff right there.

Or as Wes Rucker simply stated, "If you charge someone with a major crime and you can't prove it, you should have to explain why the hell you charged them."

Yahtzee!
 
#10
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OrangeBalls said:
I'd say it was more about money in the end than anything.

If you believe the NCAA (and, of course, they're never wrong) they said Kiffin, Pearl and Hamilton not being at UT at this time had no basis on their ruling. Or did they just lie after giving a liar a show cause? Damn. That's some good stuff right there.

Or as Wes Rucker simply stated, "If you charge someone with a major crime and you can't prove it, you should have to explain why the hell you charged them."

Yahtzee!
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UT had ample reason to fire Pearl without the Bump violation.

Your retarded use of game names doesn't change a thing.
 
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#15
"I accept responsibility for my actions, but I am disappointed with the length of the show-cause penalty."

No, someone who accepts full responsibility takes the punishment. When you take full responsibility, you say "I screwed up. I accept my punishment." And it isn't even with this quote. It's always been "I take responsiblity for my actions, but...I've earned a lot of credit with the NCAA" or "I take responsibility for my actions, but I immedietly (which isn't true anyways) went to the NCAA and admitted my mistake" and "I take responsibility for my actions, but what I did wasn't that bad". That is what drives me off the wall.
 
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zjcvols said:
"I accept responsibility for my actions, but I am disappointed with the length of the show-cause penalty."

No, someone who accepts full responsibility takes the punishment. When you take full responsibility, you say "I screwed up. I accept my punishment." And it isn't even with this quote. It's always been "I take responsiblity for my actions, but...I've earned a lot of credit with the NCAA" or "I take responsibility for my actions, but I immedietly (which isn't true anyways) went to the NCAA and admitted my mistake" and "I take responsibility for my actions, but what I did wasn't that bad". That is what drives me off the wall.
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What did you expect him to say? "Well, I'm grateful that the NCAA only gave me a 3 year show cause because the good Lord knows that me lying about a photo is surely worse than anything they'll be ruling on from Ohio St or Miami in the coming months." Of course he thinks it's exorbitant.

The NCAA are capricious asshol*s. They know it and they know we know it. They do as they please with zero public accountability. Hell, just today they lied about their ruling on UT. They stated that Kiffin, Pearl and Hamilton being gone had no basis on their ruling. Horsesh*t. So, if we had kept Pearl and Hammy, you mean to tell me we would've gotten zero scholarship reductions or a post season ban? Bullsh*t. Absolute, complete bullsh*t. They just lied after giving a liar a 3 year show cause.
 
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Unimane said:
If I read this correctly, I don't believe that the NCAA mentioned the infamous "bump", the supposed last straw, at all in their report. I remember all the hubbub about it and I maintained it was a bunch of nonsense. It seems the NCAA agreed, eventually, with that premise and avoided it altogether.

However, as I also said at the time, the previous actions were more than enough to warrant the firing. It's just funny that so much was made of the bump at the time and, now, it's not even there.
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That was nothing more than Cheek and the UT Admin taking advantage of a chance to rid themselves of Pearl. They knew they could save themselves some money by doing so when they took away his contract back in Sept.
 
#19
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I always stated the bump sounded like a bunch of crap. Pearl had already done enough to get fired, so it was a moot point, but I thought it sounded very suspicious at the time.

Anyway, I still disagree with the notion that Pearl is a "liar, cheater and a snake". I think he screwed up and then tried a panicked cover up, but those aren't necessarily his personality traits. I know I've lied and also tried to CMA, but I'm not a liar or devious person.

Regardless, the Pearl Era is over and I'm ready for some ball to be played. The last couple of years have been exhausting on the football and basketball sides.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
What did you expect him to say? "Well, I'm grateful that the NCAA only gave me a 3 year show cause because the good Lord knows that me lying about a photo is surely worse than anything they'll be ruling on from Ohio St or Miami in the coming months." Of course he thinks it's exorbitant.

The NCAA are capricious asshol*s. They know it and they know we know it. They do as they please with zero public accountability. Hell, just today they lied about their ruling on UT. They stated that Kiffin, Pearl and Hamilton being gone had no basis on their ruling. Horsesh*t. So, if we had kept Pearl and Hammy, you mean to tell me we would've gotten zero scholarship reductions or a post season ban? Bullsh*t. Absolute, complete bullsh*t. They just lied after giving a liar a 3 year show cause.
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Seems a little grandiose to call that "lying" when everybody knows it's just generalized boilerplate press-conference PR crap. Sort of like when an AD stands up in front of the cameras and talks about what a great coach Coach Smith is and how sad he is to accept his resignation, when the university is really firing his ass.

The last thing the NCAA is going to do is get in front of the press and start giving any specifics about how they decide what appropriate punishments are. All the relevant actors understand that the coaches have to be offered up in cases like this. The pablum they dole out to the public is irrelevant.

Completely agree about the NCAA being bastards.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Seems a little grandiose to call that "lying" when everybody knows it's just generalized boilerplate press-conference PR crap. Sort of like when an AD stands up in front of the cameras and talks about what a great coach Coach Smith is and how sad he is to accept his resignation, when the university is really firing his ass.

The last thing the NCAA is going to do is get in front of the press and start giving any specifics about how they decide what appropriate punishments are. All the relevant actors understand that the coaches have to be offered up in cases like this. The pablum they dole out to the public is irrelevant.

Completely agree about the NCAA being bastards.
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What would you call it then? They weren't being honest and the opposite of that is not telling the truth or lying.

Per Wes Rucker:

wesrucker247 Wes Rucker

NCAA COI vice-chair: Pearl, Hamilton, Kiffin no longer being at Tennessee didn't matter in this ruling. BS. At least try to be honest.
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And yes, the NCAA has never had public accountability. They charged UT with a major infraction, couldn't prove it and then didn't explain why they couldn't prove it or apologize for accusing them of it.
 
#22
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OrangeBalls said:
What would you call it then? They weren't being honest and the opposite of that is not telling the truth or lying.

Per Wes Rucker:

wesrucker247 Wes Rucker

NCAA COI vice-chair: Pearl, Hamilton, Kiffin no longer being at Tennessee didn't matter in this ruling. BS. At least try to be honest.
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It was empty PR speak. It's the boardroom equivalent of coachspeak. It's detestable from an Orwellian "Politics and the English Language" sort of viewpoint, but I don't see how it rises to the level of actual lying when there is no serious attempt to deceive. If I get up in front of a room and say something that's BS, and everybody in the room knows that it's BS, then while I may fail as a communicator and an ethical human being, it isn't exactly lying.

And yes, the NCAA has never had public accountability. They charged UT with a major infraction, couldn't prove it and then didn't explain why they couldn't prove it or apologize for accusing them of it.
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I would imagine that all that is a result of the behind-the-scenes negotiating between the NCAA and the university. It's like plea bargaining -- except that unlike a prosecutor, the NCAA has to pretend that the negotiations don't actually exist, because it would compromise their act as impartial arbiters of justice. This is what happens with the prosecution and judge/jury functions are all performed by the same agent.

If they explain too much -- or anything, really -- then the public will get enough of a foothold to start demanding consistency. And the NCAA is too political an organization to be able to be consistent. They depend on the flexibility that public inscrutability provides.

(I am not saying that it isn't an embarrassing, terrible system. I am just saying why that teleconference today was so inevitably unsatisfying.)
 
#23
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As Tony Jones said, "It was the bump heard 'round the world."
As the Bard would have opined, "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" in particular but general malfeasance all around from the UT administration regarding said 'bump' The buck stops at Cheek, but he really dropped the ball on this one. He's got to go!
 
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OrangeBalls said:
That was nothing more than Cheek and the UT Admin taking advantage of a chance to rid themselves of Pearl. They knew they could save themselves some money by doing so when they took away his contract back in Sept.
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I love coach Pearl! UT knew what the penalty would be. You cannot keep a coach who has a three year show cause!
 
#25
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UT Admin are not the ones who discovered the bump. The NCAA was royally pissed that Pearl and the asst's weren't taken off the road immediately, so they followed them everywhere they went. Pearl never mentioned it for some reason and then them finding out by their lawyer later on didn't help Pearl.

I love Bruce Pearl and as far as I'm concerned he was the General Neyland of UT basketball, yes even above Ray Mears. But there is no excuse for what he did. Lying about hot dogs and baked beans is stupid enough, but the real disappointing thing is learning that they tried to intimidate Craft's father into backing up their story.

Seems obvious Hammy had no choice.
 
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